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Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by hullo »

maybeunderpaid wrote: post #433
YetAnotherMSEng wrote: post #301

Microsoft employee, not Amazon, but these sort of discussions absolutely need to happen and I'd like to do my part. Salary: $115k base, no regular bonus or stock, $50k offer in stock over 4 years if I remember correctly although I don't know offhand how many units that came out to. Level: SWE1 (60 internally) Tenure: 2 years internally, 7 in industry Yearly pay increase: Averaged ~6k/y thus far. Internal candidates h…

I'm SDE II an earn just a little more base than you ($117K). Judging by conversations with team members about which tax brackets we fall in and how much we save/invest per year, I'm fairly sure I'm underpaid for my level. There's a college hire PM in my team (not PM II, so he's either 59 or 60) who's single and in the 33% bracket. That means he's making at least $189K a year. Edit: I should add, my PM coworker could…

if it wasn't explicitly tied to his salary, he could also have income independent of his tenure there, either earned or inherited. it does happen.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by arcticfox »

tristor wrote: post #702
arcticfox wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Equivalent to $90k? Do you live in the US? The cost of living for most lifestyles is nowhere near $60k different between Seattle and anywhere in the US.

I'm in San Antonio, TX. The 7th largest city in the US, but it has one of the lowest costs of living of any major metro area. It's also home to several tech companies, including Rackspace, one of Amazon's primary competitors in the Cloud space.

The cost of living calculator posted by SNDean (http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/moving-cost-of-l...) calculates that 150k in Seattle is ~117k in San Antonio, so that's actually extremely close to the 120k you mentioned as standard.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by arcticfox »

sndean wrote: post #454
arcticfox wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Equivalent to $90k? Do you live in the US? The cost of living for most lifestyles is nowhere near $60k different between Seattle and anywhere in the US.

Using a random cost of living calculator (like this: http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/moving-cost-of-l... ), it looks like many places aren't $60k different. But Atlanta, Dallas, Indianapolis, and lots of other cities are ~$50k different. Rural places are ~$60-70k different.

What number are you using?? For $150k, I see Atlanta, Dallas, etc. as $15-20k different, which seems correct.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by stepny »

We went through the comp data on this thread and another one on Google comp (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11314449), and we added it all to this Google Sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11tyJW9KPcSiLZBBuf0Z1...

Feel free to share/add to this doc. We'll post this in the Google comp thread too.

Here are the median comps by level for Amazon and Google, just based on the postings collected in the Google doc as of 3/22. --Amazon -- New grad: $141K SDE1: $146K SDE2: $173K SDE3: $250K TPM3: $220K

--Google-- Level 3: $170K Level 4: $200K Level 5: $312K Level 6: $575K T7: $640K Tech Level 5: $660K

Just a few notes - Total comp includes bonus, signing bonus, relocation bonus, and stock. Bonuses and stock were all annualized straight-line. (I know this is not how Amazon stock comp is done, but we assumed this in our calcs.) Since we took postings from 2 different threads, it's possible that one person could have posted once in each thread, in which case that would show up twice in the Google doc. Also, there's a lot of variance particularly with bonuses which are lumped in, and some of the higher levels only have one data point, but you can look at the data in the Google doc if you want to dig in.

If it helps with comparison between Amazon and Google, here's how Amazon levels map to Google's (from Quora: https://www.quora.com/How-do-Amazons-engineering-levels-map-...) Amazon SDE 1 - roughly a Google T3 ("I") or T4 ("II"). Amazon SDE 2 - roughly a Google T4 ("III") Amazon SDE 3 - roughly a Google T5 ("Senior") or T6 ("Staff") Amazon Principal - roughly a Google T6 or T7 ("Senior Staff") Amazon Sr. Principal - roughly a Google T8 ("Principal") or T9 ("Distinguished").

Full disclosure - we're Step (http://www.step.com), and we're building a platform to help engineers and product managers anonymously crowdsource personalized salary and level estimates from decision makers and hiring experts at tech companies. This thread is especially interesting to us, because it shows the need/demand for more transparency around compensation and company feedback. Right now, we're working with ~10 NYC startups that will assign personalized salary/level estimates and other feedback to anonymous profiles, but our bigger vision is that as soon as someone signs up, they'll see how each and every company values them without having to interview/talk to recruiters.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by tristor »

arcticfox wrote: post #712
tristor wrote: post #702

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in San Antonio, TX. The 7th largest city in the US, but it has one of the lowest costs of living of any major metro area. It's also home to several tech companies, including Rackspace, one of Amazon's primary competitors in the Cloud space.

The cost of living calculator posted by SNDean ( http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/moving-cost-of-l... ) calculates that 150k in Seattle is ~117k in San Antonio, so that's actually extremely close to the 120k you mentioned as standard.

This is the one I've always used for many years: "A salary of $150,000 in Seattle, Washington could decrease to $89,728 in San Antonio, Texas" (http://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/seattle-wa/san-anto...) which is where I got my figures. Maybe they are incorrect, but my anecdotal experience in both San Antonio and Seattle makes them seem in line.

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Post by 404codenotfound »

grogenaut wrote: post #534
tamana wrote: post #386

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Once the PIP appears, improvement has already failed. If your peers and manager can't fix your performance problem, his could some arbitrary HR paperwork process?

because sometimes "Oh fuck this is real" works.

Yes it can (& did).

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by sndean »

arcticfox wrote: post #713
sndean wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using a random cost of living calculator (like this: http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/moving-cost-of-l... ), it looks like many places aren't $60k different. But Atlanta, Dallas, Indianapolis, and lots of other cities are ~$50k different. Rural places are ~$60-70k different.

What number are you using?? For $150k, I see Atlanta, Dallas, etc. as $15-20k different, which seems correct.

Going from San Francisco to Dallas, using $150k gives me $81717.69.

Meaning the equivalent income to maintain your standard of living in Dallas is $81k, or ~70k less than San Francisco.

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