This survey is getting really badly trolled.
You didn't look through the comment column, did you?
Why not just a simple spreadsheet of salaries?
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Re: Why not just a simple spreadsheet of salaries?
#242Is it just me, or the link not really to a spreadsheet. I was hoping to filter the data so I could compare my salary, but I'm just getting a big ol' useless HTML table that looks kind of like a spreadsheet.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a1Df6dg2Pby1UoNlZU2l...
Weird. I can click on that link and it forces a redirect to the HTML view, but I can copy/paste it to a private window(i.e. not logged into Google) and it works fine.
Re: Why not just a simple spreadsheet of salaries?
#243Someone is going to need to clean the data. People are spamming it like crazy.
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#244Re: Why not just a simple spreadsheet of salaries?
#245The slight danger of this "post your salary" trend is that it's really difficult to make comparisons out of context. Someone is going to go to their supervisor and say, "Hey, it says that a senior dev is getting paid $200k/yr at Company X. I want $200k too!" and then their supervisor is going to say, "Well, we don't feel that you're worth that much money."
And now what? The supervisor could be 100% right, and maybe the employee just isn't worth that amount of money. Or maybe it doesn't make for the company to pay that amount of money. The employee could claim discrimination for any of a number of reasons, and it's almost impossible to prove that person X isn't worth as much to the company as person Y is to a different company. It seems like it could just create acrimony in what was previously a good relationship.
Transparency in pay is important, but it's almost impossible to evaluate in an empirical way, much less a scientific one. Not to mention that there is wide discretion in compensation. It's illegal to pay someone less because of their race or gender, but employers can pay someone an extra $5k a year just because they liked the color of their tie during the last negotiation.
Get paid what you're worth, but don't depend entirely on others to find out what that is.
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#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
Get equity or get out - make the promises binding.
First off, I made the decision to go for equity last time place I worked. That does not always equate to being a founder. I was the only non-founder with equity and when I was fired (for being burnt out but that's another story) I lost in the end. On top of that, being the only technical person and have full control over everything, including domains, hosting, code, etc. It's not really like I can be forced out.
>I'm pretty positive I'm in full control of this company
That you don't know pretty much guarantees you have zero legal control. I assume the corporate entity is not in your name. Domains, hosting, etc are all very easily gotten from you by a single letter from a lawyer. You will likely hire your own lawyer, and you'll essentially be paying him to tell that you have to cough up, because you'll lose in court, in addition to tens of thousands of dollars and a ruined reputation.
Re: Why not just a simple spreadsheet of salaries?
#247I'd put my salary on there, but it's a specific number in the $400k-$800k range (yes, base), which is basically identifiable. I may be the only person at my company on this specific number. (And I'm nervous about tightening that range up any more!) How many other highly paid professionals have the same hesitation? The really high salaries may never be part of an anonymous survey like this, where you are required to b…
Why not just change it by 50-75k? You're a pretty big outlier anyway, not like it matters in terms of median.
Not sure that'd work. Lets say it was $700k, and I adjust it by 50k to remain anonymous (I'd be more inclined to pick last year's salary, so at least it was a true number, but anyway). I'd guess my company only has a few engineers post $500k, so chances that I'm alone -- and identifiable -- by posting a 650-750 range seems high.
The bigger problem isn't my individual case, but how many other engineers are in a similar range and never participate in surveys like this. I don't know.
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#248Somebody actually submitted this: http://snag.gy/VPJgz.jpg
Pornhub one was funny
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#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not just change it by 50-75k? You're a pretty big outlier anyway, not like it matters in terms of median.
Not sure that'd work. Lets say it was $700k, and I adjust it by 50k to remain anonymous (I'd be more inclined to pick last year's salary, so at least it was a true number, but anyway). I'd guess my company only has a few engineers post $500k, so chances that I'm alone -- and identifiable -- by posting a 650-750 range seems high. The bigger problem isn't my individual case, but how many other engineers are in a simila…
I would assume you make that much because you bring that much value to the company. I doubt anyone who's a supervisor of yours would see it, care if the saw it, would be willing to fire you if they cared, and would be willing the risk a lawsuit for firing you for an illegal reason (in the US it's illegal to discourage salary discussion). Worst case scenario you leave a toxic environment behind and get a similarly paying job at a better place.
In summary, I wish I had your problems :)
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#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
I sure hope you're getting a big chunk of equity as the technical co-founder.
I'm pretty positive I'm in full control of this company. I've taken reigns and made all the decisions. CEO has pitched in his requests, but ultimately has put me in full control, that being said I'm sure while my title says VP of Engineering (for his parent company by the way) I will become the CTO and co-founder of this company when it launches.
> I'm pretty positive I'm in full control of this company.
That means you're not.
> I've taken reigns and made all the decisions.
For which they are well within their rights to pay you $0 for upon termination.
> I will become the CTO and co-founder of this company when it launches.
Then it should be no trouble to get that in writing to protect yourself.
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