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Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

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Post by Zigurd »

rayiner wrote: post #93
Zigurd wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think it's a stretch to find freedom of movement in the privileges and immunities clause? Here it is, in its entirety: The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. Huh. So travel is in there but not privacy? I just love to watch the gymnastics of making rights enumerated and government powers unlimited and unrestrained except by a list of r…

The privileges and immunities clause says that states must give the same privileges to citizens of other states that they do to their own citizens. Since states have always allowed free entry and exit to their own citizens (and indeed, the right to enter is intrinsic to the concept of citizenship), it follows that states cannot restrict the freedom of citizens of other states to enter the state. And the right to trav…

> Privacy does not fit in there because no state has ever granted its own citizens the notion of privacy espoused by certain modern proponents of the "right."

So, if a state did that, we would have a right to privacy from, at least, state and local government? We would only have to worry about federal warrants? That would be a step forward. And do we not have a federal right to travel? Would internal passports be kosher? Residency permits?

As for the framers and encryption, some of them knew how to encrypt documents and did in fact use cryptograms to encrypt their notes, not for communications purposes, and would not have hesitated to use cryptograms against government investigations. One-time pads were developed in the 19th c. and remain unbreakable if properly implemented.

But that's beside the point. They surely did not have airplanes, and if you adhere to reasonable regulations, you have a right to fly through the air, found nowhere in the Constitution.

Also, as far as I know, it's not a crime not to buy health insurance. I'd be taxed for not doing so. Background checks, like the required training for pilots, would be a reasonable regulation. As long as the laws are not discriminatory or impose a de facto prohibition, they are constitutional. This is unlike some of the laws regulating abortion providers that are clearly meant to drive them out of business. Those are unconstitutional, because women have a right to control their bodies derived from the right to privacy.

Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

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Post by andersen1488 »

justsaysmthng wrote: post #37

Good. It's now time to explore the market for people who want to quit/detox from the weed. I'm not saying this in a sarcastic way - I've been smoking on and off for 20 years and I have great respect for the plant. But it has this "self-limiting" property - sometimes you want to be with it, sometimes you want to take a break. And taking a break is not trivial for some people. This is were the secondary market can take…

> sometimes you want to be with it, sometimes you want to take a break.

So true. I'm at that point now, but finding it really hard to quit when I can just walk down the street to a store and buy it...

Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

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Post by andersen1488 »

VLM wrote: post #59
bcook wrote: post #38

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Generic classes/treatments/therapy on addiction already exist. Marijuana has not been proven to be physically addictive like alcohol & heroin. Psychological addiction can happen with anything, so that is why I mention generic addiction treatment. I think your point is valid though. We can always learn more, especially if it can help.

Culture is an interesting issue. At uni everyone smoked, which annoyed me because I got headaches from it. Decades later grown up in the burbs, the idea that I'd pound on a random neighbors door and smoke up is simply absurd. For at least some addicts, they need a complete cultural transplanting, age change, or even social class change. For an analogy think of alcohol pretty much owning 22 year olds at college bars a…

>Decades later grown up in the burbs, the idea that I'd pound on a random neighbors door and smoke up is simply absurd.

Im sorry to hear that

Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

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Post by at-fates-hands »

fluxquanta wrote: post #98
sageabilly wrote: post #83

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No, it's probably going to turn into the same thing that's happened with liquor laws in the US where some states have state ABC boards and you can only buy the very specific liquors that are on the approved list and only at the state-run liquor stores. Even states that don't have state-run liquor stores have very strict importing and distribution rules which leads to three steps between the distiller and the store, w…

The difference is that unlike building your own expensive and potentially dangerous liquor still, a personal supply of cannabis can just be grown in a sunny plot of land, or if you want to get real fancy, with indoor growing equipment that also has "legitimate" uses. It is a weed, after all.

Which also takes time, energy and depending on how much you grow, a possibly higher energy bill at the end of the month.

I know for years, cops used to co-ordinate with the local energy companies to spot houses that were suddenly spiking with energy usage and tip off the cops.

This ran into issues of guys trying to tap into their neighbors HVAC system or AC system to get more power and stay off the energy companies list. I would go out on a limb and say doing stuff like that is just as dangerous as having an illegal still.

Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

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Post by bcook »

justsaysmthng wrote: post #46
bcook wrote: post #38

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Generic classes/treatments/therapy on addiction already exist. Marijuana has not been proven to be physically addictive like alcohol & heroin. Psychological addiction can happen with anything, so that is why I mention generic addiction treatment. I think your point is valid though. We can always learn more, especially if it can help.

I so dislike the word "addiction" because it puts every type of cyclical behavior in one bucket. Even worse is the word "addict", which is dirty and degrading and helpless. Just like the word "drugs" or "criminal". There are so many shades to it that one word just doesn't cut it. The word we use to state the issue gives us the frame of where to look for solutions, hence a bad statement can lead to bad solutions. For…

As someone who has been through many treatments, meetings, clinics, etc, regarding addiction, you are focusing on the wrong thing. Who cares what it is called... go get help first, any help, then worry about arguing about semantics later.

Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

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Post by paulryanrogers »

GordonS wrote: post #52
lisivka wrote: post #35

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My classmates, which are started to smoke marijuana in school, now are dead (I am 40 years old). They die not because of tar or something like that, but because they switched to heavy drugs.

What's your point?

Could be the gateway argument, that smoking less harmful stuff leads to harder stuff.

Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

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Post by trill1 »

lmm wrote: post #70
trill1 wrote: post #68

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I seriously doubt marijuana consumers tolerate harmful chemical additives. I expect marijuana businesses to behave about as badly as the average business, but I doubt they'll manage to be as hideously evil as the tobacco companies. And what do you mean they're used under similar circumstances?

>I seriously doubt marijuana consumers tolerate harmful chemical additives. Why would they be any different from tobacco consumers? >I expect marijuana businesses to behave about as badly as the average business, but I doubt they'll manage to be as hideously evil as the tobacco companies. Don't most of the factors that make tobacco different from the average business apply equally to cannabis? >And what do you mean t…

> Why would they be any different from tobacco consumers?

Marijuana attracts an earthy, naturalistic sort of crowd. I have no proof of this, but it's been my experience.

> Don't most of the factors that make tobacco different from the average business apply equally to cannabis?

The health risks of marijuana are much better understood now than the health risks of tobacco (more particularly cigarettes) were in the 1950s. There's simply less room to lie, for one thing, which was far and away the most atrocious thing that Big Tobacco did. And the mere fact that marijuana has been illegal for so long and developed its own culture underground makes it hard to compare.

> They seem to serve a similar social function. Indeed don't people frequently smoke a mix of the two?

In Europe it's common to mix the two, but for most Americans no. I usually smoked alone anyway, it's not a social thing at all for many. You're really comparing apples to oranges here. Marijuana and tobacco as different as LSD and beer in terms of their effects.

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Post by [deleted] »

SwellJoe wrote: post #108
13of40 wrote: post #17

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I know this is completely anecdotal, but I think casual pot smokers do about two or three bong hits a night versus sneaking out for an entire cigarette twenty times a day.

To pile onto the anecdote wagon: The heaviest pot smokers I know (and I know a lot, though I don't generally use, myself), will consume it as much as four or five times a day. As you note, one "usage" looks like a few hits off of a pipe, bong, or vape. It seems to be self-limiting, even in people with a history of addiction. I'm not gonna suggest pot doesn't have negative consequences; the heaviest users I know also…

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Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

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Post by GordonS »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #116
GordonS wrote: post #52

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What's your point?

Could be the gateway argument, that smoking less harmful stuff leads to harder stuff.

An argument I would attempt to counter - the market is the gateway. The dealer you buy your illegal cannabis from often also sells 'harder' drugs, such as cocaine and heroin.
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