Wondering how big this is compare to Netherlands :) Marijuana has been legal there for long time.
IIRC, marijuana is not legal in the Netherlands, but is 'tolerated'.
Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years
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Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know why you wouldn't think he was serious. I think you are ignoring that the vast majority of people that use pot smoke it. In that sense, it's probably worse because most people that smoke weed tend to hold the smoke in their lungs for protracted periods of time which increases the amount of tar that gets in their lungs.
My classmates, which are started to smoke marijuana in school, now are dead (I am 40 years old). They die not because of tar or something like that, but because they switched to heavy drugs.
What's your point?
Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years
#53The US could use a new market to add to the economy that is for sure. A large majority of people in the US support it at 58% for all, 64% under 50, 71% under 35 [1] However with the surveillance society we live in, we need to rid the books of laws that most people break otherwise there will be a sea of non-violent crimes that don't make logical sense today. Laws as deterrents for moralistic or non-violent acts do not…
> However with the surveillance society we live in Or you could change the US constitution so that it includes a right to privacy and data protection, like the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights, or the European Convention of Human Rights
It effectively does: the fourth amendment. More explicit verbiage is unlikely to matter.
Besides, nobody said Europe wasn't a surveillance society.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Generic classes/treatments/therapy on addiction already exist. Marijuana has not been proven to be physically addictive like alcohol & heroin. Psychological addiction can happen with anything, so that is why I mention generic addiction treatment. I think your point is valid though. We can always learn more, especially if it can help.
I've never been sure what the difference between physical and psychological addiction is supposed to mean anyway. What we call psychology is a complex of physiological processes. What matters is that marijuana accounts for 17% of rehab admission, more than any other drug with the exception of alcohol. Cute sophistries that we're also addicted to coffee or air will not change the fact that this "psychological" marijua…
Judge asks "jail or rehab?"
"Jail, your honor", said no one ever.
>Rehab stats for weed have nothing to do with addiction. Primary marijuana admissions were less likely than all admissions combined to be self- or individually referred to treatment (18 vs. 37 percent). Primary marijuana admissions were most likely to be referred by a criminal justice source (52 percent) [Table 2.6].
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Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> However with the surveillance society we live in Or you could change the US constitution so that it includes a right to privacy and data protection, like the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights, or the European Convention of Human Rights
It effectively does: the fourth amendment. More explicit verbiage is unlikely to matter. Besides, nobody said Europe wasn't a surveillance society.
There's big differences. US 4th Amendment is similar to Article 7. However Article 8 covers things that aren't in the US constitution, e.g. the requirement for an independent authority to ensure compliance, the right to access the data, the right for it to be accurate, the requirement that data is processed fairly for specific purposes on the basis of the (informed, unambiguous) consent of the person.
And the 4th Amendment doesn't apply to non-US people who aren't in the USA.
The Court of Justice of the European Union has found that US data protection law is significantly lacking compared to CFREU. If the US 4th Amendment was the same as the CFREU then there wouldn't have been that Safe Harbour case.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Charter_of_Fundamental_Rights...
Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
And how the tobacco companies are evil and terrible but hey! Wanna smoke pot? That's all GOOD! Marijuana should be legal but discouraged, not permitted to be advertised, put in plain packaging, kept behind counters and not turned into novelty products that appeal to teenagers like foods. Hard to see how it's much different to tobacco really.
> Hard to see how it's much different to tobacco really. For one, you don't have to smoke it (where the majority of negative health effects come from). You can eat it, steep it, drink it. Comparing it to tobacco is ridiculous.
you can also insufflate or chew tobacco. i don't find the comparison ridiculous at all. both contain psychoactive subtances, and can lead to serious health issues, or a decline in quality of life (tobacco of course being more dangerous than weed).
Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years
#57Has anyone figured out how one could get exposure to this in the stock market? Any other way to legally invest in this boom?
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#58Good. It's now time to explore the market for people who want to quit/detox from the weed. I'm not saying this in a sarcastic way - I've been smoking on and off for 20 years and I have great respect for the plant. But it has this "self-limiting" property - sometimes you want to be with it, sometimes you want to take a break. And taking a break is not trivial for some people. This is were the secondary market can take…
Have you tried a high CBD/low THC strain?
When I found it was limiting me, I moved over to a strain of this type and it still satisfied my urge to smoke something tasty, but also did not hold me back from doing anything, as it these strains do not get you 'stoned' in the normal sense. In hindsight, my addiction was that I related the act smoking to sitting back and being lazy, so once I removed that link I no longer felt the urge to smoke and I rarely smoke anything these days.
I recently read a book called 'The Power of Habit' which offers amazing insight and ways to help you overcome any addictions and in a much more efficient way...I highly recommend it!
Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years
#59Good. It's now time to explore the market for people who want to quit/detox from the weed. I'm not saying this in a sarcastic way - I've been smoking on and off for 20 years and I have great respect for the plant. But it has this "self-limiting" property - sometimes you want to be with it, sometimes you want to take a break. And taking a break is not trivial for some people. This is were the secondary market can take…
Generic classes/treatments/therapy on addiction already exist. Marijuana has not been proven to be physically addictive like alcohol & heroin. Psychological addiction can happen with anything, so that is why I mention generic addiction treatment. I think your point is valid though. We can always learn more, especially if it can help.
Culture is an interesting issue. At uni everyone smoked, which annoyed me because I got headaches from it. Decades later grown up in the burbs, the idea that I'd pound on a random neighbors door and smoke up is simply absurd.
For at least some addicts, they need a complete cultural transplanting, age change, or even social class change.
For an analogy think of alcohol pretty much owning 22 year olds at college bars as a cultural issue... short of going hermit mode or being really poor (that was me) or moving to a different non-western culture, there's no avoiding it, which is rough on people with susceptibility to alcohol addiction. Send them to rehab all you want, but until you remove them from the culture they're just gonna drink again.
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#60Has anyone figured out how one could get exposure to this in the stock market? Any other way to legally invest in this boom?
Unfortunately I will assume the derivatives that are already taking advantage will make it an average bet at best.