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Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by OJFord »

IanCal wrote: post #93
OJFord wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about boxing, martial arts sparring, fencing, assisted suicide, and voting by proxy? The point here is that you either _can_ contract your way out, or (what I suspect is the case) there re exclusions in the law were relevant. Either way, it suggests this might not be illegal if covered by something blindly tick-boxed.

You cannot, uniformly, give people the ability to do anything to you. That's the point I'm making. > What about boxing, martial arts sparring, fencing Consent only works up to a point. I cannot consent to you stabbing me or beating me into a bloody pulp. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent_(criminal_law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Brown It's worth noting that bare knuckle boxing is illegal in the UK, and you…

Again, my point about AS was that it has it's own legislation, implying to me at least that that of murder, manslaughter, suicide do not necessarily cover it by default.

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by morninj »

nakedrobot2 wrote: post #32
Animats wrote: post #26

This might be "false personation" under California law. See California penal code 529.[1] This is slightly different from identity theft. It's a criminal offense. The key elements of this offense are that someone else impersonated you in some way, and they derived some benefit from doing so. Because this is a criminal offense, AngelList's TOS's arbitration clause does not apply. You can file a police report with the…

Unless you have authorized them to do this under the Terms and Conditions of course.....

Not sure why you're being downvoted so much. The statute clearly imposes penalties for impersonation "without consent," so consent is a defense here.

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by Kpourdeilami »

halotrope wrote: post #56

Thank you for sharing the news. I have just deleted my account. In case someone has problems as well finding out how: 1. Click your profile picture on the top right corner 2. Click settings in the dropdown. 3. Click Delete account 4. ? 5. Profit

I deleted my account but it's still visible

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

wojt_eu wrote: post #39
JupiterMoon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No! If an offence is criminal it can't be magically made OK by a contract. I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

Wouldn't it make it impossible under California law to have an agent that impersonate me? Have them tweet from my account, reply to emails in my name etc.

These are two different things:

1. Hi, my name is John, I am contacting you on behalf of wojt_eu to confirm that he has been added to the "Cool New Project" as lead DEV.

2. Hi, it's me wojt_eu, I just wanted you to confirm that I've been added to the "Cool New Project" as lead DEV.

You can legally authorize someone to act on your behalf, in basically any Western Nation - although rules as to how this work will vary, but authorizing someone to impersonate you I don't believe would be made legal anywhere because impersonation is not just something one does on your behalf but also something one does to someone else. Both the person that acts on the impersonation as being real and the person being impersonated can be harmed by an impersonation, and therefore it is not adequate that the person being impersonated gives the impersonator the right to do so.

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by sqeaky »

wojt_eu wrote: post #39
JupiterMoon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No! If an offence is criminal it can't be magically made OK by a contract. I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

Wouldn't it make it impossible under California law to have an agent that impersonate me? Have them tweet from my account, reply to emails in my name etc.

I bet you can hire a tax preparer in California. That is someone hired to represent you and do things on your behalf for tax purposes. That is a highly regulated financial specialist though.

In principle it sounds similar. The details do matter though. Did they provide reasonable explanation of what they were doing? Did they attempt to do this in secret? Did they misrepresent anything? Are they any laws saying a person cannot sign away liability for things like this?

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by aprdm »

halotrope wrote: post #56

Thank you for sharing the news. I have just deleted my account. In case someone has problems as well finding out how: 1. Click your profile picture on the top right corner 2. Click settings in the dropdown. 3. Click Delete account 4. ? 5. Profit

Thanks, just deleted it.

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by [deleted] »

temphn wrote: post #41
Animats wrote: post #26

This might be "false personation" under California law. See California penal code 529.[1] This is slightly different from identity theft. It's a criminal offense. The key elements of this offense are that someone else impersonated you in some way, and they derived some benefit from doing so. Because this is a criminal offense, AngelList's TOS's arbitration clause does not apply. You can file a police report with the…

Are you seriously advocating reporting someone to the police based on a one sentence secondhand account from a single dumb Hacker News front page post? You have zero context for what happened here (could well be user error!) and yet you are encouraging an angry mob to go and SWAT someone. If you want to play that game, I'm sure that filing false police reports -- or encouraging others to do so -- is a flagrant violat…

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Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by logicallee »

joshfraser wrote: post #6

They do the same impersonation trick to confirm investors and co-founders as well. It gives them cleaner data & is great for growth.

do you see any difference between these two statements:

"John Fraser has just added you as an employer, can you confirm? -Linkedin"

"I'd like to add you as an employer on linkedin, can you confirm! -John Fraser"

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