Depending on the details, it could be a minor felony for fraud.
AngelList is likely trying to determine whether this is a real company. How is that felony or fraud?
Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile
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Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile
#52HN users confuse me quite a bit. How would they confirm if you are lying or Telling the truth? I believe the only wah would be to confirm from the organization owner. Or else, ANYONE can claim to have done any project. I believe they do the same verification (it's simple verification) for roles in an organization.e.g Adviser, Co founder, Investor etc. And the verification is the other way too. If an employer adds you…
Think, when people usually update their profile on angellist, linkedin, etc? Usually, when looking for a new job. And normally, you'd rather not share the fact that you're looking for something with your current company as they might start looking for your replacement before you're ready.
>>> Perhaps they should have told you they were going to verify your project?
That would a huge difference and that's why the frustration - it's not something expected.
Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile
#53This might be "false personation" under California law. See California penal code 529.[1] This is slightly different from identity theft. It's a criminal offense. The key elements of this offense are that someone else impersonated you in some way, and they derived some benefit from doing so. Because this is a criminal offense, AngelList's TOS's arbitration clause does not apply. You can file a police report with the…
> he key elements of this offense are that someone else impersonated you in some way, and they derived some benefit from doing so. Is Facebook usage of their user's profile pic for advertisement purpose a false impersonation too ? (I don't know if it's still in practice or if it was ever implemented)
If Facebook used their photos to claim to be them, then maybe it would be impersonation. Using their photos in advertising is not claiming to be them.
Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile
#54If this is true, I'm deleting my account immediately.
Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile
#55HN users confuse me quite a bit. How would they confirm if you are lying or Telling the truth? I believe the only wah would be to confirm from the organization owner. Or else, ANYONE can claim to have done any project. I believe they do the same verification (it's simple verification) for roles in an organization.e.g Adviser, Co founder, Investor etc. And the verification is the other way too. If an employer adds you…
Employers are necessarily oppressive and may fire employees over this sort of notification if the listed project or the AngelList profile in general is against business interests.
If it wasn't clear already, this sort of move shows exactly who AngelList is serving. After all, as you said, how will the employer, in their contractual fantasies, ever be able to confirm that a potential interviewee is telling the truth?
Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile
#56Thank you for sharing the news. I have just deleted my account. In case someone has problems as well finding out how:
1. Click your profile picture on the top right corner
2. Click settings in the dropdown.
3. Click Delete account
4. ?
5. Profit
Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile
#57HN users confuse me quite a bit. How would they confirm if you are lying or Telling the truth? I believe the only wah would be to confirm from the organization owner. Or else, ANYONE can claim to have done any project. I believe they do the same verification (it's simple verification) for roles in an organization.e.g Adviser, Co founder, Investor etc. And the verification is the other way too. If an employer adds you…
Think, when people usually update their profile on angellist, linkedin, etc? Usually, when looking for a new job. And normally, you'd rather not share the fact that you're looking for something with your current company as they might start looking for your replacement before you're ready. >>> Perhaps they should have told you they were going to verify your project? That would a huge difference and that's why the frus…
It's a semi prison if you are not allowed to update your profile at a job you work.
Remember, the person in question had to chose they were in the said organization and did a certain project.
Anyway, asking Angelist to show any claim will be confirmed is not asking for too much. However, it is not such a scandal as OP makes it out to be.
Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wouldn't it make it impossible under California law to have an agent that impersonate me? Have them tweet from my account, reply to emails in my name etc.
It is, of course, perfectly legal to do that with permission. The problem here is that it was done without permission. The OP is claiming that the impersonation without permission is a crime, and that it is impossible to waive the crime-ness of it through a contract.
Parent is replying to a comment stating:
> If an offence is criminal it can't be magically made OK
> by a contract.
Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wouldn't it make it impossible under California law to have an agent that impersonate me? Have them tweet from my account, reply to emails in my name etc.
It is, of course, perfectly legal to do that with permission. The problem here is that it was done without permission. The OP is claiming that the impersonation without permission is a crime, and that it is impossible to waive the crime-ness of it through a contract.
Agreeing to the terms could be giving permission though...
Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
In this case, every giving would be stealing. If I gave you something, you didn't steal it from me. Likewise, if I gave you the right to impersonate me in particular circumstances, it's not a criminal offense if you do.
The comparison to stealing is frankly ridiculous, as the law doesn't say you can't transfer money. It will explicitly talk about consent. If contracts allowed you to agree to anything then minimum wage laws couldn't work. Which side the impersonation laws fall on will depend on how they're written.
What about boxing, martial arts sparring, fencing, assisted suicide, and voting by proxy?
The point here is that you either _can_ contract your way out, or (what I suspect is the case) there re exclusions in the law were relevant.
Either way, it suggests this might not be illegal if covered by something blindly tick-boxed.