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Do jobs run in families?

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Re: Do jobs run in families?

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Is it just me or is the data presentation completely terrible

I thought the data visualization was pretty good. How would you improve it?

A profession by profession table with the raw numbers would be more useful. Perhaps a Hinton Diagram would be a better visualization.

Re: Do jobs run in families?

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post #16

Is it just me or is the data presentation completely terrible

I thought the data visualization was pretty good. How would you improve it? A profession by profession table with the raw numbers would be more useful. Perhaps a Hinton Diagram would be a better visualization.

It's very hard to get a sense of how more or less likely a child is to pursue a given profession than normal. You just sort of have to eyeball the bars before and after, which tends to visually accentuate changes to common professions, even when there might be a much larger percentage change for an uncommon profession.

Re: Do jobs run in families?

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This data is pretty interesting. Of course, it's hard to separate out or even infer the causes as nature vs. nurture (which the article is careful about) but the part about twins was the most striking for me: " Twins' tendency to choose the same occupation, at 24.7%, is even more striking. " A possible explanation was provided above: " Whether identical or fraternal 2, twins are also more likely to be raised in a sim…

Here's an interesting video that takes that into account.

Twins, even those that grow up separately, are remarkably similar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDFh74eENuw

Re: Do jobs run in families?

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're prepared to toss ethics overboard it's not that hard to come up with significant, relevant and valid results. The whole trick is to get those results while acting ethical.

Where's the ethical concern here? Familial relationships can be explicitly provided as can occupation. If it's all self-reported data then what's the problem? The problem with the emotion manipulation study was that they were effecting people's psychology, not just click behavior. Which is creepy, especially because it apparently worked.

I find it interesting that you don't see the problem. I suspect that is a large part of why companies like FB and the various advertising networks are utterly blind to what will eventually be their downfall.

Here is a nice example of a sample consent form the kind of which one would expect to fill out before having one's data be used for any kind of study:

https://www.irb.cornell.edu/forms/sample.htm

Not being informed about the fact that your data is going to be used in a study, that the results of that study are going to be published is un-ethical in several ways, for one it presumes consent where non exists, for another it is a breach of the law (because it violates the original purpose of collection). Not that Facebook would care about any of the above but companies and institutions that play by the rules would require the researcher conducting this study to obtain consent from the subjects.

Re: Do jobs run in families?

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This certainly makes sense: "To conclude, we see that people within a family are proportionally more likely to eventually also choose the same occupation." Still, I wonder if it has become less common with time: the idea of a parent (usually a father) passing the family trade on to the child isn't culturally common, as it used to be during the guild era that got started in the Middle Ages. On an anecdotal level, I go…

I think it can be less subtle than that. For instance a piano solist will 'test' children inclinement to play music, or more directly to play piano. I know other engineers who also expose their kids to programming like games to see if there is potential.

It doesn't mean the trade will be passed down as is, but if a kid seems predisposed for a field, the parent with expertise will help it grow further as long as the kid enjoys it.

Re: Do jobs run in families?

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A little uncomfortable that a company that spends $10m lobbying the government in its interests, is also now doing social policy research using their near-monopoly on a particular sort of people's data. (This one, for instance, ties into social mobility which is always an argument that has currency with politicians.) Quite what they're arguing for behind the scenes is unknown ... but then that's part of the problem.

They're using this data for incredibly accurate targeting, allowing advertisers to effectively target race/ethnicities: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/03/18/facebook-showed-us-...

I wrote a proof of concept on it last year too: http://caseysoftware.com/blog/social-apis-for-social-evil

Re: Do jobs run in families?

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This makes total sense -- you do what you know. As a child growing up, you emulate your parents in a lot of ways. If your parents are factory workers, they probably didn't push you towards college so you will end up in a similar job. Likewise, if your parents are doctors, you not only have a path to medical school laid out before you, you likely have connections that would give you a better than average chance of acceptance.

Good to see this proven out with data; but I'd consider this a pretty intuitive conclusion.

Re: Do jobs run in families?

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I imagine the march of technological progress and America's shifts in employment mean it is a lot less prevalent than it was a generation or so ago - a lot fewer children following their parent into manufacturing jobs.

That said, my Dad worked in computing - not as a coder, just as a manager, but it meant that we had an early proto-PC, a 2,400 baud modem and a CompuServe connection. It was probably inevitable that I would end up doing something with computers...

Re: Do jobs run in families?

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Why are all the resultsets segregated by gender? The description of the problem they were looking to solve gave no indication that gender was of interest to them in analyzing the results.
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