If you are good, just leave AMZN. I was underpaid there as SDE 2 and when I resigned, they threw $100k extra a year on the table to keep me but I still left anyway because I did not know what they would do to me if I stay. That $100k extra would put me close to $300k total a year.
Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon
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Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon
#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm interested in what your negotiation principles are. I've always heard that a candidate should never share salary information and require the company to provide the first concrete number in the form of their initial offer. However, I've repeatedly used all of the "business-professional" and "HR approved" sorts of conversational techniques to enact this advice, and the only result that has ever occurred is either (…
There IS another solution to this. When someone asks how much you are currently making, you should flat out lie. They won't check. I've job hopped a bunch, and usually I just take whatever I was currently making, and add 15%, and say that that was my base. If employers are going to play negotiation games, you shouldn't feel bad about playing them too.
You do this and they catch you, you will be fired. I am a manager who believes in pay people more. Pay them what they want, not what they were making. That said, if you lie to me, I don't take it well.
Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, we hire new grads, and we offer internships for those who are still studying. Successful interns get an easier path for converting to full-time than grads who apply cold. Getting somebody you know at Google to refer you is the best way to secure an interview, but you can also apply online. http://www.google.com/about/careers/students/
Well that's too bad, I don't know any people at google. I guess I need to hang around more coffee shops.
APPLY ONLINE. Seriously. If you don't have a referral, don't wait around trying to find one. Apply online.
If you get an interview, practice algorithms/data structures interview problems like crazy.
Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon
#344Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right? I like the one from amznnewgrad: $90k base as a new grad and "needless to say" they declined the offer. Needless to say? I was hired after a year out of college in 2010 at aboyt $37k and it felt like I hit the lottery. Granted, where I live costs much less than Seattle, and I also make significantly more now, but still not $90k.
amznnewgrad is trolling for sure!
90k$ is low, I have seen several get 140k$ (Base + Signing bonus) for SDE roles out of college.
Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon
#345Seattle Googler here (throwaway account). Position: Senior Software Engineer (level 5) Tenure: 4 years, no prior experience Comp: $300K (160 salary, 40 bonus, 100 stock) Male, native English speaker P.S. We're hiring.
Can you please specify which domain? tech stack used, programming language, technology etc.
Google does not care about this for entry level engineering positions.
Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon
#346Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you taking stock into consideration? At current price, 104 shares of AMZN equals $57,408 which puts my total 2016 pay at $130,408.
It's pretty interesting that so much of your compensation is in stock. After 2 years at MSFT and becoming a PM II, I was making ~$145k annually but $115k of that was in salary and $30k in stock. I think that's why everyone is surprised when they see the $70k. Do they give you the stock as a bonus at the end of the year, or are you promised it at the beginning and it gets doled out during the year? If it's the former,…
The stock is initially granted in the form of Restricted Stock Units (RSUs). RSUs vest according to a schedule. It looks roughly like this:
5% the first year
15% the second year
20% every six months thereafter
Compensation at Amazon typically is a combination of a base salary, a signing bonus (distributed over time), and a stock grant. The package is structured in such a way that the employee's total pay stays consistent over time, even though the pay comes in different forms. New hires will have their signing bonus structured over the first two years, and then it ends. At that point, the more significant stock vests begin to occur at six month intervals, so the total pay amount stays relatively the same after the bonus ends.
Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon
#347After reading some of these comments... Holy shit, I am under paid.
Right? I like the one from amznnewgrad: $90k base as a new grad and "needless to say" they declined the offer. Needless to say? I was hired after a year out of college in 2010 at aboyt $37k and it felt like I hit the lottery. Granted, where I live costs much less than Seattle, and I also make significantly more now, but still not $90k.
Yes "needless to say." I was paid a little bit more than the annual equivalent of 90k when I was an intern in SV at both a large tech company (that you've heard of), and a well-funded startup.
Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon
#348A reminder to everyone that the National Labor Relations Act prohibits companies from firing employees for discussing their salaries: http://www.govdocs.com/can-employees-discuss-pay-salaries/
That's certainly true, and for most of us in the US, it's also true that as an at-will employee at a company, you're only protected by what the law covers. The list of things it doesn't cover is long enough that it's not terribly difficult to find a reason that is legal to cover-up the real reason.
There's the bigger problem with sharing your salary openly: raises.
My dad told me when I started working "Don't talk about your salary unless you don't want to see a raise again." It's not that absolute in practice. For many, raises are doled out yearly and are an average percentage with discretion to give some more and some less than the target. Even when well deserved, it's not easy to squeeze into the higher percentage but one way to make it a whole lot more difficult is to be revealed as someone who'll tell all the coworkers what they received. That'll almost certainly be on your bosses mind when it comes time for that decision and you might find yourself fighting to get an average raise since giving you the lower raise has the added benefit of making everyone else think they did better.
Share it on the Internet, openly, and now everyone in the company can know what you make. If you're paid over-average, your boss might even get a phone call asking "why?". That's just not a good place to be.
Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon
#349This is perfect timing as Google Seattle is hiring around 1000 devs and promotions are being revealed in April. I used a throwaway account, but I'm sure I'm identifiable by this information if my manager sees this. I'm not too concerned. I think it's in Amazon's and the employees' best interest for this stuff to be transparent. Besides that, while I like my work, I can easily get an offer from Google, Facebook or pre…
> 140 RSU (granted at signing, almost none vested) Is it still the ridiculous 5-10% year 1, 5-10% year 2, and then the rest spread out over years 3-4?
Yes, it's something like 5% at 1st anniversary, 15% at 2nd anniversary, then 20% every 6 months over the next two years.
Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon
#350Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm interested in what your negotiation principles are. I've always heard that a candidate should never share salary information and require the company to provide the first concrete number in the form of their initial offer. However, I've repeatedly used all of the "business-professional" and "HR approved" sorts of conversational techniques to enact this advice, and the only result that has ever occurred is either (…
There IS another solution to this. When someone asks how much you are currently making, you should flat out lie. They won't check. I've job hopped a bunch, and usually I just take whatever I was currently making, and add 15%, and say that that was my base. If employers are going to play negotiation games, you shouldn't feel bad about playing them too.
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