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IMHO you're being underpaid quite a bit with that base salary in the Seattle area. Time to start interviewing at Microsoft, Google, etc. Those companies usually start fresh out of college developers with a base pay a bit over $100k, then bonuses, stock awards, etc. on top.
I think for lasting that long, Amazon really pays off in equity compensation which they dole out willingly (with 4 year cliffs of course).
I made 90k as an SDE I straight of college. 20k sign on bonus. Second year bonus of 15k. 150 shares of stock with the regular 5%, 15%, 20% cliffs. Biggest raise I got was 4k when I received an exceeds.
Holy shit, I am under paid.
You gave enough information that they could find you without using any links in your profile or your online handle. Another thing that could be interesting is your accent. My eyes were recently opened about the discrimination that happens based on that.
Actually, I told my boss about the post before I submitted it. But I was only letting him know -- I didn't ask for permission. The decision was mine and mine alone, so any (unlikely) backlash won't be directed at him. We have a good relationship and see eye to eye almost all the time. He did say that he didn't think there was anything wrong with posting this. The reason for the throwaway is because I generally try to…
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If you're hiring, do you take college students for interviews? I've never been clear about the google hiring process and I've always heard mixed things from people who went through it.
Yes, we hire new grads, and we offer internships for those who are still studying. Successful interns get an easier path for converting to full-time than grads who apply cold. Getting somebody you know at Google to refer you is the best way to secure an interview, but you can also apply online. http://www.google.com/about/careers/students/
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I think you're not doing the math on the stock (which is currently over $550). e.g. $73k base + $21k bonus + $57k stock = $151k for an engineer in their second year (no info about previous experience). Absent a lot of other context it does sound fair to me, or at least not "shockingly low".
I value those things differently, because the bonus is only for the first two years, and the stock is a one-time grant. Just like there's 'no replacement for displacement' in engines, there's no replacement for base salary in compensation. What I'm seeing in that compensation package is no incentive whatsoever to stay after you finish your second year, and no real incentives to start in the first place. $150k in Seat…
The stock seemed like a mind-game to me, but it did work out to about 10% YoY increases in total compensation.
It's also inaccurate to characterize the stock as a one-time grant. The initial grant vests over four years (weighted on the last two years) typically you receive more grants after performance reviews, which vest over two years (again weighted on the second year.)
So in practice, you get a grant of 200 shares at signing, but by the end of year two only 50 have vested. At that point you have at least one performance grant, so you're probably getting shares vesting pretty regularly, at least four times a year.
Seattle Googler here (throwaway account). Position: Senior Software Engineer (level 5) Tenure: 4 years, no prior experience Comp: $300K (160 salary, 40 bonus, 100 stock) Male, native English speaker P.S. We're hiring.
I started a discussion for Google salaries here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11314449
If you have a chance, can you send the link to your colleagues at Google? (-:
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If you're hiring, do you take college students for interviews? I've never been clear about the google hiring process and I've always heard mixed things from people who went through it.
Yes, we hire new grads, and we offer internships for those who are still studying. Successful interns get an easier path for converting to full-time than grads who apply cold. Getting somebody you know at Google to refer you is the best way to secure an interview, but you can also apply online. http://www.google.com/about/careers/students/