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Re: Slackware 14.2 release candidate 1

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Post by jrumbut »

IgorPartola wrote: post #43
baldfat wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you didn't mean to bring this up as a point against rpm but my ALL TIME MOST HATED PHASE is rpm hell. I still hear people say that they won't use RPM based systems because of RPM Hell which makes me inside want to jump through the screen and shake them and say "Have you ever built a single package?! Because if you ever have you would know this is 100% crap for over 10 YEARS!" Sure there was a time frame when t…

Sorry, but I am still stuck in my own version of RPM hell, and yes I have packaged RPM's. The problem: production servers for a client use RHEL 6.3 and are very slow to upgrade. Moreover, they don't have the subscription to RH's commercial repos, and instead host their own, which means that some packages are straight up missing. For development I use CentOS of a matching version. All works well until I go to deploy s…

I too am mostly a Debian guy but it sounds like your situation has less to do with RPM than it does with a client putting themselves in a crazy situation.

The whole point of getting your OS from RH is that RH has a book that you can do things by and be pretty well assured of the results. When they decided to no longer subscribe to that they really should have switched to a community managed Linux version.

I can't imagine the one time cost of moving their production servers to CentOS would be more than the continual update pains they're experiencing.

Re: Slackware 14.2 release candidate 1

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Post by 5ilv3r »

johnchristopher wrote: post #21
orthecreedence wrote: post #16

Slackware is the muscle car of linux distros. If you don't mind getting your hands dirty, it's fast and solid. Plus if you can master Slack, you can waltz into any other distro and not break a sweat. I've run it on desktops/servers since version 8 and love it. People knock it for not having a "real" package manager, but if you like the control of compiling from source then this doesn't really matter (and you always h…

Is there an equivalent to apt-get update && upgrade or do you need to track down each source/binary to keep things secured ?

You download the new package (or rsync the whole tree) then run installpkg on it.

Re: Slackware 14.2 release candidate 1

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Post by baldfat »

IgorPartola wrote: post #43
baldfat wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you didn't mean to bring this up as a point against rpm but my ALL TIME MOST HATED PHASE is rpm hell. I still hear people say that they won't use RPM based systems because of RPM Hell which makes me inside want to jump through the screen and shake them and say "Have you ever built a single package?! Because if you ever have you would know this is 100% crap for over 10 YEARS!" Sure there was a time frame when t…

Sorry, but I am still stuck in my own version of RPM hell, and yes I have packaged RPM's. The problem: production servers for a client use RHEL 6.3 and are very slow to upgrade. Moreover, they don't have the subscription to RH's commercial repos, and instead host their own, which means that some packages are straight up missing. For development I use CentOS of a matching version. All works well until I go to deploy s…

This is 100% not an RPM issue. You have missing dependencies that is a repo issue. Same thing with Debian or any other package management system.

Re: Slackware 14.2 release candidate 1

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Post by jasperry »

unixhero wrote: post #55
acheron wrote: post #52

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I can't tell if "grinded my... teeth" is an accidental error, or an intentional mixed metaphor as a joke. But if it's not intentional then it should be, because I laughed. I certainly ground my teeth while using Slackware in the 90s too, which is why I switched to Mandrake and then FreeBSD. :P

Grinding teeth, the proverbial milling of stone... Also as in learning the ropes, or training oneself, learning the hard way, et cetera.

I think the desired term is "to cut one's teeth on." It refers to how babies' teeth are aided in erupting from the gums by chewing on something tough. "Grinding one's teeth" is used to indicate being under an unpleasant level of stress.

Re: Slackware 14.2 release candidate 1

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Post by [deleted] »

unixhero wrote: post #55
acheron wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if "grinded my... teeth" is an accidental error, or an intentional mixed metaphor as a joke. But if it's not intentional then it should be, because I laughed. I certainly ground my teeth while using Slackware in the 90s too, which is why I switched to Mandrake and then FreeBSD. :P

Grinding teeth, the proverbial milling of stone... Also as in learning the ropes, or training oneself, learning the hard way, et cetera.

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Re: Slackware 14.2 release candidate 1

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Post by MPSimmons »

fractal618 wrote: post #60
unixhero wrote: post #34

I really want the best for Slackware. I used to be a slacker 1996-2006 and grinded my Linux teeth on it. It escapes me why they don't want to innovate at all with a proper modern package manager. Also they need to remake their website and with that create a decent forum and a decent wiki just like Arch has perfectly done. Nowadays I don't care at all about knowing every corner of my system. I have applications to man…

25 days ago you said Linux Mint solved all of your problems... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11150556

I'm not the commentator, but Mint is Ubuntu, except they've already done all of the grunt work to make it useful (like making codecs available and prettifying it up).

At least 2 years ago when I ran it exclusively, it was accurately described as Ubuntu-based, not Ubuntu, just like Ubuntu is Debian-based, not Debian. But the similarities are (or at least were) much closer between it and Ubuntu than Ubuntu and Debian.

I often said I ran Ubuntu when I ran Mint, because there was basically no difference worth making.

Re: Slackware 14.2 release candidate 1

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Post by MPSimmons »

megous wrote: post #49
unixhero wrote: post #34

I really want the best for Slackware. I used to be a slacker 1996-2006 and grinded my Linux teeth on it. It escapes me why they don't want to innovate at all with a proper modern package manager. Also they need to remake their website and with that create a decent forum and a decent wiki just like Arch has perfectly done. Nowadays I don't care at all about knowing every corner of my system. I have applications to man…

Yeah, I don't know either. I went as far as to write spkg (spkg.megous.com) in 2006, just to replace the funcionality of pkgtools bash scripts without adding new features. (imporving robustness and speed) I never got any response from the Slackware team. I guess they're just very very conservative. I loved my Slackware times for the learning experience. But it was hell of a lot of work to use it.

Patrick still doesn't use PAM. I think it's safe to say he's conservative. ;-)

Re: Slackware 14.2 release candidate 1

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Post by cuckcuckspruce »

unixhero wrote: post #56
gmrs wrote: post #54

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I'm a bit skeptical about the word "modern" these days. slackpkg is a good package manager and does everything you need to keep your system up-to-date. From the slackware website: "Slackware is designed around the idea that the system should be a complete installation kept updated with any official patches. This avoids the mess of dependencies that some other Linux based GNU systems face." Why remake the website? The…

It's not adequate sorry. I am not happy with mailing lists for community building. And I know of Linuxquestions.com forums, but that's not adequate either. Seriously, it would take 60 minutes to get this sorted, and 30 bucks yearly of hosting these forums.

What are mailing lists and forums missing for you? What killer features do you think that the Slackware team need to implement beyond what they currently have? I ask in all sincerity because you haven't mentioned it in your post.

Re: Slackware 14.2 release candidate 1

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Post by [deleted] »

MPSimmons wrote: post #67
fractal618 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

25 days ago you said Linux Mint solved all of your problems... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11150556

I'm not the commentator, but Mint is Ubuntu, except they've already done all of the grunt work to make it useful (like making codecs available and prettifying it up). At least 2 years ago when I ran it exclusively, it was accurately described as Ubuntu-based, not Ubuntu, just like Ubuntu is Debian-based, not Debian. But the similarities are (or at least were) much closer between it and Ubuntu than Ubuntu and Debian.…

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