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Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by Can_Not »

xpaulbettsx wrote: post #172

As the lead developer of the Slack Windows app, this move is absolutely phenomenal for me. Win7 is a huge proportion of our support tickets and causes us no end of grief. To put what these Windows users are doing in perspective, Windows users are holding onto an OS that was released at the same time as OS X 10.6, and not only doing it, but demanding that developers support this version. If you asked any Cocoa develop…

Windows 7 support is a critical feature of slack for me. Every version of Windows after 7 is increasingly some kind of year 2000 era flip phone OS/dark age of computers BS. It's 10 steps forward, 1000 steps back.

So what exactly do windows 7 users call in about? Is that because there is some major API difference between 7 and 8 or is does it represent people who buy computers less often?

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by mk4p »

foxyv wrote: post #103

Prompted by Windows 10 privacy issues, I switched to Mint on my laptop recently and was pleasantly surprised. I've been constantly trying to switch to Linux but having to revert because of driver incompatibility. That has completely changed in the past 3 years. It makes my laptop feel speedy again. Before it was really slow with Microsoft sitting on top of it. I recently slapped an SSD into it and it's even better. T…

Re: Steam support in Linux, do you have any idea about VR support? I'm not a huge gamer and I'd consider ditching Windows over this incident, except that I want to play with my Vive when it gets here.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by kefka »

wmccullough wrote: post #190
deciplex wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Pretty much this. You do need some updates though, and Microsoft hardly does a good job of describing what each update does from WU itself, so hope you like looking up each individual update on the MS website. Eventually they'll just start obfuscating what an update does on the website as well, if not lying outright.

If not lying outright? There's no grand conspiracy here. Put the tinfoil hat away...

I really don't care why they chose to do this hijack-update.

When I'm lied to about updating, and it takes bloody forever normally, it pisses me off. When you start trying to hijack my machine for your purposes "for Win10", you can collectively fuck off.

I'll set on my Windows Machine (yes singular, all others are Linux variants) for No-update Windows 7. And I'll also switch everyone I know to no-update as well.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by erickhill »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #209
erickhill wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably a lost cause. He had over 4K photos that he had taken in the 70s digitized from slides and organized. All that work was blown away. He has digi backups of the files, but all the organization and notes are gone. He's 77 with a quad-bypass in December, and the thought of starting over is, well, depressing for him. Not sure he's going to even try at this point.

> "He's 77 with a quad-bypass in December, and the thought of starting over is, well, depressing for him." I'm sorry to hear that. > "Not sure he's going to even try at this point." I'm not suggesting he tries, I'm suggesting you try on his behalf.

That's the trouble - the organization isn't simply by date. It was by country - he travelled everywhere. He would actually know what goes where... But my brother (who helped him the first time) might remember what to do.

Will give it a shot.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by beeboop »

electrotype wrote: post #45

What do you think about this script on Voat? : https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/853510 I'm really curious to know your opinion Hacker News. Is this a good way to live with Windows 7 now? It seems to be open-source, easy to apply, it disables telemetry and Windows 10 crap. Any better alternatives?

Considering it stops updates to IE, I would never recommend that. I only ever use IE if I'm on some ancient (often government) website that doesn't seem to work in FF/Chrome, but even the default IE homepage (Is it still MSN?) has ads, which means a very real possibility of malware infections. The risk of being one TMZ page away from a malware infection is too much IMO.

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Post by acqq »

shiven wrote: post #220
acqq wrote: post #216

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For example, the computers important guys use at home, and somebody still dies because the computer isn't available when it should have been? I know, EULA. That EULA is a "wild card" is the main problem now.

the computers important guys use at home Hillary's email-gate? So, no, important guys should not be using home computers that control/decide life or death situations.

> Hillary's email-gate?

I'm failing to see how the topic you mention helps to understand better the issue discussed here, that people can and should be able to depend on their own personal computers even for some life-influencing situations, and that it's bad (in my opinion) having EULAs which absolve in this case MSFT from absolutely everything. You really believe the proper use of personal computers is just for playing games? OK then, I don't, but no need for further discussion.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by gherkin0 »

tim333 wrote: post #192
gherkin0 wrote: post #157

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> On the one hand, a bunch of old insecure machines will get fixed. That makes little sense. If a machine is automatically installing Windows 10, it was already automatically installing security updates. Windows 10 won't make it and less "insecure" than it was with Windows 7.

I believe 10 has some security improvements over 7. At least I hope so. I was thinking of upgrading my mum's pc basically for that reason.

If it has, they're not to the point of making Windows 7 "old and insecure" in comparison to it.

But if it has, I'd like to know what they are. About all I've heard about Windows 10 are its privacy invasions and its attempts to take control away from its users.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by xpaulbettsx »

Can_Not wrote: post #221
xpaulbettsx wrote: post #172

As the lead developer of the Slack Windows app, this move is absolutely phenomenal for me. Win7 is a huge proportion of our support tickets and causes us no end of grief. To put what these Windows users are doing in perspective, Windows users are holding onto an OS that was released at the same time as OS X 10.6, and not only doing it, but demanding that developers support this version. If you asked any Cocoa develop…

Windows 7 support is a critical feature of slack for me. Every version of Windows after 7 is increasingly some kind of year 2000 era flip phone OS/dark age of computers BS. It's 10 steps forward, 1000 steps back. So what exactly do windows 7 users call in about? Is that because there is some major API difference between 7 and 8 or is does it represent people who buy computers less often?

> So what exactly do windows 7 users call in about? Is that because there is some major API difference between 7 and 8 or is does it represent people who buy computers less often?

Windows 7 doesn't have a notifications / toast API which means we have to implement notifications ourselves. It also lets you turn off desktop composition and throw the UI into a completely different rendering path, which Electron doesn't support properly, so we then have to implement notifications again in a fallback software rendering only way. It also doesn't have a spellchecking API, so we get to ship Hunspell in-box and deal with updating dictionaries, the list goes on and on

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by Bedon292 »

untog wrote: post #27
Bedon292 wrote: post #16

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This is the exact reason I have been avoiding 10. I still use the DVR capability. I know I don't have automatic update on, but still getting paranoid about it reading all the issues people are having.

I've been trying to move away from WMC - trying MediaPortal, NextPVR and Emby, so far, but the interface on all of them is sub-par. It's very frustrating - I'd gladly pay a chunk of money, but I guess I'm part of a small audience that doesn't make such development worth it.

Yeah, I utilize a CableCARD and WMC is the only thing that ever got certified to use it. If there was an alternative, I would use it, but there is none that I can find.
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