AlphaGo beats Lee Sedol 3-0 [video]

Post by empath75 » Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 12:58 PM UTC

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What is our purpose if computers can do everything better than us? It feels like computers have taken one aspect of humanness: logic. Computers could do arithmetic, do algebra, play chess, and now they can play go. It hurts because logic is usually thought to be one of the highest of human characteristics. Yes computers might never be able to replicate emotion, but even dogs have that. There's still some aspects we h…

Computers will be able to compose symphonies very soon. If DeepMind started working on this problem, I am sure that they would succeed. At least, we would have some innovative mashups of Beethoven, Mozart and Tchaikovsky. But training a powerful AI on a massive dataset of all popular and classical music should produce some extraordinary results. Especially if the dataset was given as MIDI with separate instrument tra…

Post by hueving » Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 1:00 PM UTC

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>> At this point it seems likely that Sedol is actually far outclassed by a superhuman player. I still don't agree that this is the case, and I don't care what a thousand Google-hyped press releases say, beating the best human player in anything is not "superhuman" and "superhuman" performance has not been achieved by anything yet. [1] Why do I think so? Two reasons. One, because you can be entirely human and still b…

Your pocket calculator is superhuman at arithmetic. Alphago is superhuman at go. It's not a big deal.

Post by bratfarrar » Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 1:04 PM UTC

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My (long) commentary here: https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10154018209759228 Sample: At this point it seems likely that Sedol is actually far outclassed by a superhuman player. The suspicion is that since AlphaGo plays purely for probability of long-term victory rather than playing for points, the fight against Sedol generates boards that can falsely appear to a human to be balanced even as Sedol's probabili…

Post by haliax » Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 1:08 PM UTC

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Your pocket calculator is superhuman at arithmetic. Alphago is superhuman at go. It's not a big deal.

My pocket calculator is faster than a human and has better memory. I don't know that this means the same thing as "superhuman in arithmetic". I can concede that it means superhuman in speed and memory, but, arithmetic? I don't think so. What it really does is move bits around registers. We are the ones interpreting those as numbers and the results of arithmetic operations. AlphaGo is rather different in that it actua…

Post by haliax » Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 1:11 PM UTC

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> Of course, a cat is not conscious. How do you know?

Cat's are obviously conscious in the sense of the dictionary definition "aware of and responding to one's surroundings; awake." Unless you knock one out or similar. Arguing they are not conscious in the sense of a more obscure definition is a bit pointless unless you specify your definition.