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America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Re: America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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This is what happens when no child is left behind. How can EVERYONE graduate from HS without lowering the bar?

Outcomes vary greatly by school, zip code, and socio-economic class. Are children in the wrong zip code just lazy? Why do the children in poor families perform so much worse than in rich families? It doesn't, by any measure, appear to be a consequence of the children's efforts.

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I'd be much more interested in a study that compares the top 1 percentile of graduates between countries.

Of course the bulk of US graduates are going to be unskilled... that's just how the bell curve works, and the US has the resources to support lots of unskilled laborers.

It's the top of the bell curve that matters. How do the smartest engineers and scientists in the US compare to their counterparts in other countries?

Eventually we'll have a basic income so if people don't want to learn, they won't have to.

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Not able to send a text messsage? That I don't believe.

The study is about comparative data, and I can well believe (having lived in another country) that there are countries where a larger percentage of adults than in the United States can use commonplace technology of today. The math literacy (numeracy) advantage for other countries I absolutely believe, as I have read the textbooks from other countries (I am an American who can read Chinese), and the textbooks are simp…

How are the textbooks better? Can you provide some examples?

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Of course the US does poorly in this survey. The survey measures life skills. We've spent the last decades changing our schools from teaching life skills to pure college prep. A terrible disservice to young people. Here's some sample questions http://www.oecd.org/site/piaac/Education%20and%20Skills_onli... .

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I'd be much more interested in a study that compares the top 1 percentile of graduates between countries. Of course the bulk of US graduates are going to be unskilled... that's just how the bell curve works, and the US has the resources to support lots of unskilled laborers. It's the top of the bell curve that matters. How do the smartest engineers and scientists in the US compare to their counterparts in other count…

> It's the top of the bell curve that matters.

I think that this attitude has gotten us into a pretty big mess.

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And in this age of information and technology, many of these people are voting to decide the next leader of the only superpower left on Earth. This may sound grossly elitist, but democracy can be super scary sometimes.

As it stands, the American populace has been expertly prepared to engage in our political process to the fullest extent possible. That is, to spectate the circus act for a while, and then with great certainty and condescension, choose one of two preselected options.

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I'd be much more interested in a study that compares the top 1 percentile of graduates between countries. Of course the bulk of US graduates are going to be unskilled... that's just how the bell curve works, and the US has the resources to support lots of unskilled laborers. It's the top of the bell curve that matters. How do the smartest engineers and scientists in the US compare to their counterparts in other count…

Well the top 1% in the US will look decent I think. The US had, at some point, decided they wanted the school system to be unequal when they associated funding with property taxes from each region, thereby ensuring rich neighborhoods have well funded school, and poor neighborhoods poor schools. This enshines inequality into the system, so the top will have comparatively more resources.

And you're far too optimistic about the basic income. It's far from a certainty, especially in the US.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe Trump is the only politician with the knowledge/freedom to act on that realization, leading to landslide victories by appealing to the lowest common denominator in US voters. I guess that's exactly what democracy is.

In theory that's why we have delegates. Unfortunately the delegates are now bought and paid for by the same corporate interests that have our country in its current state...

And ultimately the electoral college in the event it's believed voters made an egregious error in electing their president. Don't think we'll see that happen regardless of winner this cycle.

Re: America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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American academia is the envy of the world. I haven't met a single ambitious person in the US who dreams of teaching in a high school. It's kind of sad that secondary ed isn't high-prestige in today's American culture, but it's not.

I haven't met a single ambitious person in the US who dreams of teaching in a high school.

Maybe there's a problem here with how you define "ambitious"

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