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Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

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Post by joepie91_ »

braythwayt wrote: post #65
joepie91_ wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just want to elaborate on this a bit more: Implementing a downvote button is inviting baseless disagreement . It makes it socially acceptable to say that you disagree, without ever providing an argument or being expected to do so - this is precisely what you don't want, on what is supposed to be a constructive platform. This will (indirectly and directly) lead to populism, where unpopular opinions get dismissed out…

And yet, you’re making this point on a platform that has down-votes. And where I have made very unpopular statements around social issues that have been down-voted for being unpopular, so I appreciate how points that I know to be reasonable can be downvoted for being unpopular. Nevertheless, some people find them useful. I don’t think it’s 100% clear-cut that you should never ever implement downvotes. I’d say that do…

> And yet, you’re making this point on a platform that has down-votes.

Yes. And if I was a HN developer, which I am not, I would immediately remove that functionality - but even then, my argument doesn't really apply here, because HN isn't really meant to be a constructive platform to begin with.

> I don’t think it’s 100% clear-cut that you should never ever implement downvotes.

For constructive platforms: absolutely, 100%. It's well understood what kind of behaviour is driven by the availability of a semi-anonymous "disagree" button. There's not really any gray area here.

> Other comments might be wildly off-topic or deeply non-constructive, and those I down-vote. But to each their own.

On a constructive platform, that is a matter for moderation, not opinion. The problem of downvotes is that it combines the two, even though they are fundamentally different concepts.

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

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Post by joepie91_ »

Lazare wrote: post #60
joepie91_ wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just want to elaborate on this a bit more: Implementing a downvote button is inviting baseless disagreement . It makes it socially acceptable to say that you disagree, without ever providing an argument or being expected to do so - this is precisely what you don't want, on what is supposed to be a constructive platform. This will (indirectly and directly) lead to populism, where unpopular opinions get dismissed out…

> Seriously, GitHub, this is rule one of designing constructive social platforms: you never ever ever implement a downvote button of any kind. It seems ironic you'd post this on a platform that has a downvote button.

Where's the irony?

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

#74

Post by braythwayt »

bsimpson wrote: post #18

Looks like Dear GitHub[1] is having a rather quick impact on the product; first templates[2], now this: [1] https://github.com/dear-github/dear-github [2] https://github.com/blog/2111-issue-and-pull-request-template...

Perhaps it follows the Hollywood model. There are lots of features in development, staff-shipped, in discussion, in the backlog, or whatever. Then there is some external stimulus (Facebook launched reactions!) and the feature gets quickly tailored and green-lighted.

So there is a quick reaction, but work on the idea may have been hidden from the public for a long time.

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

#75

Post by CM30 »

jwilk wrote: post #46

Um. What does :+1: mean when applied to an issue? "I like this bug"?!

I think this bug is an awesome thing and shouldn't be fixed? Something like that would actually be surprisingly useful.

But seriously, it likely means the person up voting the issue has also had the same problem and wants it fixed as quickly as possible.

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

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Post by joepie91_ »

adnzzzzZ wrote: post #69
joepie91_ wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just want to elaborate on this a bit more: Implementing a downvote button is inviting baseless disagreement . It makes it socially acceptable to say that you disagree, without ever providing an argument or being expected to do so - this is precisely what you don't want, on what is supposed to be a constructive platform. This will (indirectly and directly) lead to populism, where unpopular opinions get dismissed out…

>you never ever ever implement a downvote button of any kind. People who don't agree with something should have a way of expressing their views. Why is it acceptable to have a +1 button but not a -1 button? Why can people agree without giving any reason for their agreement but they can't disagree without giving any reason for their agreement? It's crazy that society works in this way and that people have such an irra…

> People who don't agree with something should have a way of expressing their views. Why is it acceptable to have a +1 button but not a -1 button? Why can people agree without giving any reason for their agreement but they can't disagree without giving any reason for their agreement?

Because when you agree, that means the argument has already been presented - specifically, it's the argument that you are agreeing with. That is not the case for disagreement, where a counter-argument must exist, but has not been voiced yet.

Agreement and disagreement aren't superficial opposites like you're presenting them to be.

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

#77

Post by choward »

mrharrison wrote: post #51

-1 or the thumbs down reaction, I think is a mistake. They aren't usually that constructive, because most of the time they are used as retaliation against a specific user, instead of constructive criticism. If someone downvotes you, you tend to downvote them. At the least, it should be a privilege to down vote, like SO and HN do. http://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/vote-down

It's also lame that you can thumbs up and thumbs down the same comment.

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

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Post by joepie91_ »

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #61
joepie91_ wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just want to elaborate on this a bit more: Implementing a downvote button is inviting baseless disagreement . It makes it socially acceptable to say that you disagree, without ever providing an argument or being expected to do so - this is precisely what you don't want, on what is supposed to be a constructive platform. This will (indirectly and directly) lead to populism, where unpopular opinions get dismissed out…

Without agreeing or disagreeing, StackExchange/Reddit are hugely popular and both have downvotes.

Popularity and constructivity are two entirely different things. As mentioned by another post, StackExchange introduces a 'counter-weight' - Reddit is widely perceived as "not constructive at all", and is thus not relevant to my argument.

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

#79

Post by dcre »

choward wrote: post #70

Am I missing something or is there still no way to +1 issues? All I see are ways to react to comments. Whenever I feel the urge to "+1" something it's for the issue, not a specific comment. Can someone explain how to add a reaction to an issue?

You are missing something :)

e.g., top right corner on https://github.com/facebook/react/issues/6239

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

#80

Post by NeutronBoy »

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #61
joepie91_ wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just want to elaborate on this a bit more: Implementing a downvote button is inviting baseless disagreement . It makes it socially acceptable to say that you disagree, without ever providing an argument or being expected to do so - this is precisely what you don't want, on what is supposed to be a constructive platform. This will (indirectly and directly) lead to populism, where unpopular opinions get dismissed out…

Without agreeing or disagreeing, StackExchange/Reddit are hugely popular and both have downvotes.

StackExchange it costs you to downvote someone.

On Reddit, downvoting just encourages group-think as you will get downvoted for voicing an unpopular opinion.

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