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Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

#61

Post by yazaddaruvala »

joepie91_ wrote: post #55
mrharrison wrote: post #51

-1 or the thumbs down reaction, I think is a mistake. They aren't usually that constructive, because most of the time they are used as retaliation against a specific user, instead of constructive criticism. If someone downvotes you, you tend to downvote them. At the least, it should be a privilege to down vote, like SO and HN do. http://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/vote-down

I just want to elaborate on this a bit more: Implementing a downvote button is inviting baseless disagreement . It makes it socially acceptable to say that you disagree, without ever providing an argument or being expected to do so - this is precisely what you don't want, on what is supposed to be a constructive platform. This will (indirectly and directly) lead to populism, where unpopular opinions get dismissed out…

Without agreeing or disagreeing, StackExchange/Reddit are hugely popular and both have downvotes.

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

#62

Post by ywecur »

mrharrison wrote: post #51

-1 or the thumbs down reaction, I think is a mistake. They aren't usually that constructive, because most of the time they are used as retaliation against a specific user, instead of constructive criticism. If someone downvotes you, you tend to downvote them. At the least, it should be a privilege to down vote, like SO and HN do. http://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/vote-down

How would privilege to down vote help?

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

#63

Post by matthuggins »

Lazare wrote: post #60
joepie91_ wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just want to elaborate on this a bit more: Implementing a downvote button is inviting baseless disagreement . It makes it socially acceptable to say that you disagree, without ever providing an argument or being expected to do so - this is precisely what you don't want, on what is supposed to be a constructive platform. This will (indirectly and directly) lead to populism, where unpopular opinions get dismissed out…

> Seriously, GitHub, this is rule one of designing constructive social platforms: you never ever ever implement a downvote button of any kind. It seems ironic you'd post this on a platform that has a downvote button.

Says the guy commenting on HackerNews, which also offers a downvote button. :)

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

#65

Post by braythwayt »

joepie91_ wrote: post #55
mrharrison wrote: post #51

-1 or the thumbs down reaction, I think is a mistake. They aren't usually that constructive, because most of the time they are used as retaliation against a specific user, instead of constructive criticism. If someone downvotes you, you tend to downvote them. At the least, it should be a privilege to down vote, like SO and HN do. http://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/vote-down

I just want to elaborate on this a bit more: Implementing a downvote button is inviting baseless disagreement . It makes it socially acceptable to say that you disagree, without ever providing an argument or being expected to do so - this is precisely what you don't want, on what is supposed to be a constructive platform. This will (indirectly and directly) lead to populism, where unpopular opinions get dismissed out…

And yet, you’re making this point on a platform that has down-votes. And where I have made very unpopular statements around social issues that have been down-voted for being unpopular, so I appreciate how points that I know to be reasonable can be downvoted for being unpopular.

Nevertheless, some people find them useful.

I don’t think it’s 100% clear-cut that you should never ever implement downvotes. I’d say that downvotes need to be implemented in conjunction with a bunch of other features and active moderation policies to work well. I don’t know if HN has done so, or if GitHub has done so. But... I wouldn’t dismiss them out of hand.

(FWIW, I follow this policy: I either downvote, or reply, but never both. In this case, I disagree with you, but think the conversation is useful, so I reply. Other comments might be wildly off-topic or deeply non-constructive, and those I down-vote. But to each their own.)

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

#66

Post by mrharrison »

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #61
joepie91_ wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just want to elaborate on this a bit more: Implementing a downvote button is inviting baseless disagreement . It makes it socially acceptable to say that you disagree, without ever providing an argument or being expected to do so - this is precisely what you don't want, on what is supposed to be a constructive platform. This will (indirectly and directly) lead to populism, where unpopular opinions get dismissed out…

Without agreeing or disagreeing, StackExchange/Reddit are hugely popular and both have downvotes.

Down voting on Stackexchange is a privelege as well as losing a reputation point when you downvote. Down voting on Reddit is controversial and alienates a lot of people from using Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/36rb4r/if_n...

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

#67

Post by CM30 »

joepie91_ wrote: post #55
mrharrison wrote: post #51

-1 or the thumbs down reaction, I think is a mistake. They aren't usually that constructive, because most of the time they are used as retaliation against a specific user, instead of constructive criticism. If someone downvotes you, you tend to downvote them. At the least, it should be a privilege to down vote, like SO and HN do. http://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/vote-down

I just want to elaborate on this a bit more: Implementing a downvote button is inviting baseless disagreement . It makes it socially acceptable to say that you disagree, without ever providing an argument or being expected to do so - this is precisely what you don't want, on what is supposed to be a constructive platform. This will (indirectly and directly) lead to populism, where unpopular opinions get dismissed out…

I disagree with the last one. As someone who's been involved with quite a few forums and social sites, the down button tends to get abused a lot less than you'd think. Heck, the most popular plugin for XenForo ratings goes further and lets people mark replies as dumb, old or 'drama queen'. Those don't seem to get abused too much either, surprisingly enough.

But I guess it's a size and topic thing. If your site has a mature userbase, a limited topic or is mostly a pretty tight knit community, adding a downvote button tends to be a decent enough thing to do. Same if you have to acquire the privilege to use it.

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

#68

Post by lukevers »

bengotow wrote: post #16

Finally. Let's just hope it doesn't email you when someone leave's a +1 reaction.

It'd be nice if you could configure this. It doesn't email you, but for some repositories it'd be nice if it did.

It definitely solves the horrible problem of too many +1s everywhere, but there are times when getting those emails are helpful.

Re: Add Reactions to Pull Requests, Issues, and Comments

#69

Post by adnzzzzZ »

joepie91_ wrote: post #55
mrharrison wrote: post #51

-1 or the thumbs down reaction, I think is a mistake. They aren't usually that constructive, because most of the time they are used as retaliation against a specific user, instead of constructive criticism. If someone downvotes you, you tend to downvote them. At the least, it should be a privilege to down vote, like SO and HN do. http://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/vote-down

I just want to elaborate on this a bit more: Implementing a downvote button is inviting baseless disagreement . It makes it socially acceptable to say that you disagree, without ever providing an argument or being expected to do so - this is precisely what you don't want, on what is supposed to be a constructive platform. This will (indirectly and directly) lead to populism, where unpopular opinions get dismissed out…

>you never ever ever implement a downvote button of any kind.

People who don't agree with something should have a way of expressing their views. Why is it acceptable to have a +1 button but not a -1 button? Why can people agree without giving any reason for their agreement but they can't disagree without giving any reason for their agreement? It's crazy that society works in this way and that people have such an irrational response to disagreement.

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