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I find it very interesting that to a layperson, the idea of a computer being able to beat a human at a logic game is pretty much expected and uninteresting. You try and share this story with a non-technical person and they will likely say "Well, duh..it's a computer".
Let's compare Go and Chess. We all know that Go is more complex that Chess, but how much more? There's 10^50 atoms in the planet Earth. That's a lot. Let's put a chess board in each of them. We'll count each possible permutation of each of the chess boards as a separate position. That's a lot, right? There's 10^50 atoms, and 10^40 positions in each chess board so that gives us 10^90 total positions. That's a lot of p…
Why am I feeling a bit scared of all this ?
What I really liked about those games so far, and Michael Redmond commentary, is that AlphaGo not only beat Lee Sedol twice, but also Redmond. He is playing the same style as Sedol, he constantly predicts Sedol's moves and he is as surprised and does the same miscalculations as Sedol. He really needs some time to find out when he made a mistake, the same mistake Sedol was eventually doing. This is high class commenta…
As someone who studied AI in college and am a reasonably good amateur player, I have been following the matches between Lee and AlphaGo. AlphaGo plays some unusual moves that go clearly against any classically trained Go players. Moves that simply don't quite fit into the current theories of Go playing, and the world's top players are struggling to explain what's the purpose/strategy behind them. I've been giving it…
The situation with Go is different. (I wrote the Go program Honninbo Warrior in the 1970s, so I am a Go player and used to be a Go programmer.) Still, I bet the AlphaGo, and future versions, will strongly impact human play.
Maybe it was my imagination, but it sometimes looked like Lee Sedol looked happy + interested even late in the two games when he knew he was losing.
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I'm not a Go player but play other competitive sports. Humans have a herd mentality...as Op mentioned there's certain styles of playing...which has their own strengths and weaknesses. Sometimes people will not examine other styles that may have better strengths and just focus on the exist one. Then comes along someone who 'thinks outside the box' with a new style and revolutionize the playing field. Think Bruce Lee a…
> AlphaGO is the best at playing Go. Maybe humans can devise a better style and defeat AlphaGo, but I'm sure AlphaGo can adapt easily if another style exists. Which is a curious point. The gripes about early brute force search algorithms (e.g. Deep Blue?) were that they felt unnature. However, as the searches get more nuanced and finely grained, is there a point at which a fast machine begins doing fast stupid machin…
As someone who studied AI in college and am a reasonably good amateur player, I have been following the matches between Lee and AlphaGo. AlphaGo plays some unusual moves that go clearly against any classically trained Go players. Moves that simply don't quite fit into the current theories of Go playing, and the world's top players are struggling to explain what's the purpose/strategy behind them. I've been giving it…
I think AlphaGo is playing very natural go! The 5th move shoulder hit that is the subject of so much commentary would fit into the theory of go that players like Takemiya espouse. It has chosen to emphasize influence and speed and has not been afraid to give solid territory early in the games so far. It's very exciting play but not inhuman play, and if professionals are allowed to train with AlphaGo it will surely us…
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> I should also say that it's somewhat clear that Sedol made one suboptimal move, and AlphaGo capitalized on it. Can you please indicate this time in the video of the game? Thanks a lot.
I watched the live stream commentated by Myungwan Kim so I know what the parent is referring to (later in the game, Myungwan Kim referred back to that possibly being a mistake), although not being a Go player myself most of it was over my head. It was fairly early in the game and about 4-5 lines down from the top and towards the center, center-left. Apparently, Lee Sedol played a little conservatively and "didn't tak…
What happens if the Go master tries to deceive the oponent? As in purposefully play a counter-intuitive position, or even "try to lose"? Will the AI's response be confused as it is expecting rational moves from its oponent?
Someone somewhere asked why a lot of people in the Go community is taking this in a somewhat hard way, here is my hypothesis: Go, unlike Chess, has deep mytho attached to it. Throughout the history of many Asian countries it's seen as the ultimate abstract strategy game that deeply relies on players' intuition, personality, worldview. The best players are not described as "smart", they are described as "wise". I thin…
Now go read "The Player of Games", by Iain M. Banks, to see that idea taken to extremes.