Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker • Hacker News Board

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by jalfresi » Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 2:08 PM UTC

hoodoof wrote: post #19

Why would I want to deprive sites of their ad revenue? If you use ad blocking, just be sure that you and no-one you are close to depends on advertising - directly or indirectly - to get their bills paid. So damn childish to have such a sense of self righteous indignation that people turn off ads but expect the Internet to be free.

The internet IS free. You want to charge me for something else entirely - reading your web page. And how I render the content on MY computer using MY bandwidth is none of your concern.

I am not responsible for your flawed business model.

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by herbst » Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 2:23 PM UTC

herbst wrote: post #75

pdkl95 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> its not harming me You're selling out your readers, who are harmed by that. The cross-site aggregation that Google does is far more harmful (see: "pattern of life" analysis) than a smaller tracker with bad security. This makes you just as responsible.

Its how the internet works, i am not happy with it ether and tell anyone to use a AdBlocker plus something like PrivacyBatcher. Hence i am in the progress to block all this directly on my Firewall. My point is its the users responsibility to protect himself, if he goes on the Internet without any idea whats going on its just naive and my ads are the smallest of his problems.

I dont think Google is particularly bad and that its a bad thing they are analyzing their traffic to deliver custom tailored ads. Yeah i actually prefer them by far over the classic ad approach, i rather see things i am probably interested in.

I dont want to be tracked personally. That does not mean that other people who also use Windows, iPhones, Dropbox and whatever even care. Why would i tell them obivous things they dont even care about?

Not sure what gives you the idea that i would depend parts of my site to external services, i dont even use S3/AWS even thought thats industry standard. My sites work perfectly without ads, i even include ads in a way that they get invisible when blocked, so there are no UI (or any other) issues for people who prefer to block them.

I am not going to play the internet hero and miss out on my awesome extra income just because some people have radical thoughts about Google. It may makes you happy that i only have ads on sites which are worth it, but all the others have Adsense, so i assume you dont care.

Edit:// I also use Cloudflare if that helps ;)

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by plorkyeran » Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 2:34 PM UTC

yev wrote: post #2

if ((!!window.opr && !!opr.addons) || !!window.opera || navigator.userAgent.indexOf(' OPR/') >= 0) { throw alert('your browser is not supported'); }

A flashback to the 90s, when some websites blocked Opera because it had a built-in popup blocker.

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 2:48 PM UTC

Touche wrote: post #74

Kiro wrote: post #30

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> It's more important for me to use my browser then you website that doesn't respect my choices. Likewise I have the right to reject you if you can't comply with my terms.

What terms? They send you a GET and you responded with 200 OK. What they do with the response once it reaches their property is up to them, you have no claim to how they view it.

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Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by JulianMorrison » Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 3:51 PM UTC

eva1984 wrote: post #71

_Understated_ wrote: post #55

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No, but it can by offering better service, better food, better decor etc.

But customer needs to pay

Someone needs to pay in a society where a restaurant owner needs money to eat. But that someone doesn't have to be the customer, doesn't have to be every customer - and the economy might not be structured to require anyone to pay for things, in which case both the restaurant and the customers get everything without money. (Why would people work there? Maybe vocation or hospitality, maybe they wouldn't and robots would instead.)

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by hsod » Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 4:37 PM UTC

Touche wrote: post #74

Kiro wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's more important for me to use my browser then you website that doesn't respect my choices. Likewise I have the right to reject you if you can't comply with my terms.

What terms? They send you a GET and you responded with 200 OK. What they do with the response once it reaches their property is up to them, you have no claim to how they view it.

The terms that are presented and (quasi-)enforced by the javascript returned with that 200 OK.

"This site is not supported on browsers that block ads. Please switch to a different browser or disable your adblocker to proceed"

Those are terms. You can choose to ignore or circumvent them but they're still terms.

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by jbmorgado » Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 5:47 PM UTC

I understand that to some ads are an important revenue, but this idea that interesting content will stop existing if we greatly reduce advertising seems false.

Just think, how many time do you spend sharing content in social networks for free? Most of the time it's uninteresting content it's true, but some people are actually interested in sharing highly interesting content made by themselves with the world for free, both in social networks and out of them.

May it be due to personal promotion or just out of some societal need.

True that the content provider (unlike the creator) will probably always want to be paid to provide it, but in that case, the monetization comes from other products and not from advertising. Think about GitHub personal pages for instance.

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by Touche » Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 9:45 PM UTC

hsod wrote: post #86

Touche wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What terms? They send you a GET and you responded with 200 OK. What they do with the response once it reaches their property is up to them, you have no claim to how they view it.

The terms that are presented and (quasi-)enforced by the javascript returned with that 200 OK. "This site is not supported on browsers that block ads. Please switch to a different browser or disable your adblocker to proceed" Those are terms. You can choose to ignore or circumvent them but they're still terms.

FWIW I have no problem with sites doing this. You can participate in ad-blocking arms race if you so desire. I have no obligation to run your JavaScript just because you sent it to me. You can try to make it a requirement and I'll probably just use software to circumvent it.

But underlying point is that you have no moral or ethical claim to how people view your content, just as you have no moral or ethical claim that a person cannot rip ads out of a magazine. If you want them to pay for your content, the Open Internet is not the place you should be publishing.

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by norea-armozel » Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 10:33 PM UTC

hsod wrote: post #86

Touche wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What terms? They send you a GET and you responded with 200 OK. What they do with the response once it reaches their property is up to them, you have no claim to how they view it.

The terms that are presented and (quasi-)enforced by the javascript returned with that 200 OK. "This site is not supported on browsers that block ads. Please switch to a different browser or disable your adblocker to proceed" Those are terms. You can choose to ignore or circumvent them but they're still terms.

They're not legally enforceable either. So, you can expect people to disable JS entirely on your site. :3

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by eva1984 » Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 5:51 AM UTC

JulianMorrison wrote: post #85

eva1984 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But customer needs to pay

Someone needs to pay in a society where a restaurant owner needs money to eat. But that someone doesn't have to be the customer, doesn't have to be every customer - and the economy might not be structured to require anyone to pay for things, in which case both the restaurant and the customers get everything without money. (Why would people work there? Maybe vocation or hospitality, maybe they wouldn't and robots woul…

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