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Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Post by UK-AL »

Someone1234 wrote: post #38
sootzoo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because tfs is dying. Why port over tooling for a source management system that is on it's deathbed? [citation needed] Visual Studio Online (which is pretty much TFS in the cloud) is alive and well. And improvements made to VSO have been shipping regularly as updates to accompanying TFS on-prem. Are you confusing TFS with Team Foundation Version Control (TFVC)? TFVC is also pretty popular as a Visual SourceSafe rep…

> Visual Studio Online (which is pretty much TFS in the cloud) is alive and well. Visual Studio Online supports Git. So, no, it is not "TFS in the cloud." TFS and Visual Studio Online are very loosely coupled. > Are you confusing TFS with Team Foundation Version Control (TFVC)? I'm not confusing anything, I just picked one of Microsoft's many acronyms they use for it. Even Microsoft's own consultants call it "TFS" wh…

TFS on premise also supports GIT.

VSO is literally TFS in the cloud. Once x feature comes out VSO, then it comes out in TFS a few months later.

I assume they have a shared code base.

You confusing TFS(ALM- CI, Code Review, Testing, etc) with just the source control component

Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Post by sootzoo »

Someone1234 wrote: post #38
sootzoo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because tfs is dying. Why port over tooling for a source management system that is on it's deathbed? [citation needed] Visual Studio Online (which is pretty much TFS in the cloud) is alive and well. And improvements made to VSO have been shipping regularly as updates to accompanying TFS on-prem. Are you confusing TFS with Team Foundation Version Control (TFVC)? TFVC is also pretty popular as a Visual SourceSafe rep…

> Visual Studio Online (which is pretty much TFS in the cloud) is alive and well. Visual Studio Online supports Git. So, no, it is not "TFS in the cloud." TFS and Visual Studio Online are very loosely coupled. > Are you confusing TFS with Team Foundation Version Control (TFVC)? I'm not confusing anything, I just picked one of Microsoft's many acronyms they use for it. Even Microsoft's own consultants call it "TFS" wh…

Here is Brian Harry at MS on this very topic about a year ago: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/bharry/2015/03/12/the-futur...

> "Most of our customers still use TFVC and we value this tremendously. Most people in Microsoft still use TFVC. Most new projects created today on VS Online choose TFVC."

Etc. It's quick and to the point, go read it. And again, has there been some sea-change at MS over the last year on source control? Quite possibly. But so far you've offered nothing but your opinion.

Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Post by UK-AL »

Someone1234 wrote: post #16
merb wrote: post #5

Actually what Microsoft is doing could be breat. However I don't understand why they even use Jenkins for this project ( https://github.com/Azure/sonic-build-tools ) I mean I love jenkins, but wouldn't it be at least good if they would've used their own build tool? I mean something like tfs-linux-worker I know that doesn't exists, but if they would've done something they could've done something good somehow. Using je…

Because tfs is dying. Why port over tooling for a source management system that is on it's deathbed? Even Microsoft themselves are moving over to Git for many products/teams and have added native Git support to both Visual Studio and VS Online. PS - Although Microsoft still use Perforce internally also.

On the contrary VSO has been kicking ass lately, constanst updates and improvements.

Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Post by caf »

In tangentially-related news, there was a lot of talk at NetDev about switchdev, a new Linux driver model for hardware-offload switching hardware.

It allows the kernel's Layer-2 and Layer-3 switching/routing configuration to be reflected down into the switch offload hardware, and the switch's ARP and MAC table data to be reflected back up to the kernel stack.

The overall idea being you can continue to use the same userspace tools to configure the routing/switching, and it all just magically goes faster if you have supported switching hardware.

https://lwn.net/Articles/675826/

Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Post by harry8 »

I imagine anything Microsoft releases that could possibly have gpl software, such as the linux kernel in it will have the most aggressive search for violation of any software ever. Memories are long and that distrust is not going away any time soon.

Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Post by dsp1234 »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #28
thescribe wrote: post #10

I thought they already did, and it was called RHEL. I guess that's not Debian.

What's the connection between RHEL and Microsoft? Azure seems to have focussed on Ubuntu first, so I'm not surprised they lean closer to a Debian base.

RHEL was one of the first 'supported' linux guests for hyper-v [0]

[0] - http://www.pcworld.com/article/159615/microsoft_redhat_partn...

Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Post by Locke1689 »

sootzoo wrote: post #39
Someone1234 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Visual Studio Online (which is pretty much TFS in the cloud) is alive and well. Visual Studio Online supports Git. So, no, it is not "TFS in the cloud." TFS and Visual Studio Online are very loosely coupled. > Are you confusing TFS with Team Foundation Version Control (TFVC)? I'm not confusing anything, I just picked one of Microsoft's many acronyms they use for it. Even Microsoft's own consultants call it "TFS" wh…

Again, you're citing the source control system as the primary feature. TFS is an entire application lifecycle management suite, not just version control. You seem to (continue to) ignore this. Its closest analogue is probably the entire Atlassian family of products. On TFVC: > it sends way WAY too many files up and down constantly It sends literally zero files anywhere until you interact with the server, as any sane…

There are definitely some people who prefer to use TFS and some teams (like .NET) that are heavily invested in Git.

And yes, we call TFVC TFS all the time :)

Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Post by justin66 »

cbd1984 wrote: post #36
criddell wrote: post #21

I always thought that Microsoft was blocked from getting into Linux by the terms of their sale of Xenix.

I cannot possibly imagine how this could be true. Linux is, legally, not Unix, and it is released under a license which does not discriminate based on who you are.

Criddell is right about the history, and Xenix was literally not Unix either. At some point Microsoft agreed to not compete in the "Unix" operating system market, broadly defined.

An awful lot has changed since then, including Microsoft buying a System V Unix license when SCO was extorting everyone (including Sun, as I recall) into doing that. There is so much water under the bridge, I imagine Microsoft could do it if they wanted to. But why?

I don't see how it's a good idea from their point of view. An ubuntu respin is about as far as I'd ever expect them to go down that path, and even that seems like more commitment than they'd want to make.

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