Gender Gap obligatory video link (Maddox): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDj_bN0L8XM
he made an interesting observation - the supposed wage gap would mean businesses could save massively on payrolls by hiring all women.
Study Finds No Gender Gap in Tech Salaries
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#492Earlier quoted context omitted.
A discrimination by women against women then since nursing is overwhelmingly women.
I don't know if that's true, but even if it is, how does that make the discrimination any less of a problem?
If we can't even agree on what kind of discrimination happens then we certainly can't do more than social media inactivism. At best we can make the problem worse by trying to solve the wrong problem.
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#493Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here are BLS numbers on profession by gender and age: http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat09.htm The legal profession has actually made significant progress in closing the gender gap. Tech has a problem with gender. I'm not sure it's helpful to point out that other fields also have similar or even worse problems.
> I'm not sure it's helpful to point out that other fields also have similar or even worse problems. I think it goes to the motivation: - If the motivation is to encourage gender balance/equality, then looking at and comparing with other fields is perfectly reasonable. - If the motivation is that tech is a high paid yet incredibly low (physical) risk field, then it is self-serving to care about gender balance/equalit…
> then it is self-serving to care about gender balance/equality here and not in other areas.
I do not follow this logic. I particularly care about problems in the tech industry because that's the industry I work in. Does that make me self-serving? I dunno, maybe, but I still think it's the right thing to do. I care about gender imbalance in the oil industry too, but unlike software engineering I have very little insight into hiring people on oil rigs.
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#494What is interesting is the breakdown of motivations between men and women. It seems readily apparent that women on the whole prefer flexible work arrangements because of child raising obligations. This is exactly the same argument lobbed across the wage gap discussion for years now. Proponents of the wage-gap point that women have an unfair obligation to child-raising duties, which puts them at a disadvantage when co…
>Proponents of the wage-gap point that women have an unfair obligation to child-raising duties, which puts them at a disadvantage when compared to their male peers. Unfair obligation my ass. I'm sure most dads would jump at the oppurtunity to have the paternity leave equal to maternity, for example.
At many places they do: zero days for both.
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#495Earlier quoted context omitted.
My preference as a father would be to spend as much care-free time with my kids as possible (care-free as in not having to worry about earning money). But I fully accept that my wife has the greater claim to having that time. I was present when my kids were born. Why does everybody swallow the feminist narrative that it is a horrible chore to spend time with children? Note that feminism depends on that evaluation, ot…
My preference as a person would be to spend as much care-free time as possible (care-free as in not having to worry about earning money). FTFY.
What do you mean? According to urban dictionary, ftyf means "fixed that for you"? How does your statement contradict mine?
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#496No gap in pay for the same position. But the position gap is still alive and well. Also called the glass ceiling. So, the average women in tech are paid less than men. The title is quite misleading.
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#497No gap in pay for the same position . But the position gap is still alive and well. Also called the glass ceiling. So, the average women in tech are paid less than men. The title is quite misleading.
> No gap in pay for the same position.
That's the point here and it's worth reiterating when feminists consistently say they're paid 7X cents on the dollar.
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#498This is fairly consistent with other studies. The "77%" number is arrived at by comparing the median wage of full-time male & female employees. It doesn't account for differences in industry, job title, experience, etc. It's super broad. That doesn't mean we should ignore it, but it means we need more granularity. Coming out of uni/grad school, male and female salaries are equal in comparable fields. They depart a fe…
>We need to de-stigmatize flexible schedules. We need to upend the idea that family care is solely the domain of women (normalizing parental leave for fathers with newborns is a good start).
Don't certain EU countries already have this in some capacity? Honestly, I think the problem with leave benefits here in the States is the fact we treat them as a privilege rather than as some form of non-monetary compensation. IMO, if I could have an comparable set of leave benefits with a lower salary (assuming leave here would have to be set to market rate for my time I would've otherwise been working to make this an equatable exchange) I probably would take it. I like my free time. I'm sure older workers would love it too if it worked well for them if they were more focused on semi-retirement.
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#499Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not "sexist" to acknowledge reality. Men and women (on average) have different hormone levels, and those hormones do effect our emotions and our choices.
Every study on hormones from the last 40 years has shown conclusive evidence that hormone levels within natural occurring levels has very minimal effect on behavior, emotion and life choices. If you want to find differences between gender, look at chromosomes and their effect. The purpose of hormone is to primarily regulate the reproductive system.
Actually, chromosomes are a worse target for predicting behaviors in terms of sex-linked traits since genes during conception can and will be exchanged between the X and Y chromosomes in humans. This is why sometimes the SRY gene is found in women (XX) despite clearly having an operative uterus and ovaries. Nature loves to pick on us humans when it comes to assuming fixed traits.
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#500Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's a really interesting freakonomics radio episode that goes into some good detail here if anyone's curious where these differences really originate: http://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-true-story-of-the-gender...
Beat me to it. The episode is basically an interview with Claudia Goldin who is about as qualified a person as you could hope for to speak on this matter. [1] tl;dr women start out with equal pay, but trade pure monetary compensation for flexibility and/or fewer hours when they have kids because society still sucks at gender equality when it comes to enabling parents to equally contribute to certain aspects of parent…
I would expect no less for the majority of companies. If you put in X hours for Y salary/wage I don't doubt they'd give the same amount as compensation regardless of sex, age, race, etc. Money is money and work is work. Social norms are the real culprit in terms of inequalities in society. Sometimes businesses do push back against these norms since more often than not it hurts their bottom line (ex. racial segregation laws hurt the private bus companies). So, if a social norm can be toppled to boost revenues or productivity I always expect a business to wave their progressive banner.