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Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Post by schoen »

celticninja wrote: post #25
csandreasen wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably about as much as you see from him on the subject of Russia and China. The Intercept is about as unbiased as Fox News - lots of criticism directed towards the US and its allies, silence on every other country.

Lets be fair here: 1: Greenwald is an American so the actions of the US government are relevant to him and his readers. 2: Greenwald is a lawyer, trained in US law, therefore the actions of the US Government vis-a-vis US Law is a suitable topic for him to cover. 3. China and Russia have been oppressing their people and their peoples rights for a long time. Neither have a constitution that is supposed to enshrine the…

> China and Russia have been oppressing their people and their peoples rights for a long time. Neither have a constitution that is supposed to enshrine the rights of the citizens.

Really?

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_People's_...

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Russia#CHAPTE...

I find it an interesting puzzle that the U.S. constitution is so well-respected that people routinely win court cases (and invalidate legislation) by asserting rights under it, while in China apparently the idea that the constitution should substantively constrain the government is considered naive and harmful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weiquan_movement#Retrenchment_...

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Post by yeahrightfam »

Brazil is a sovereign country and they are free to define their legal system any way they want. Facebook needs to comply with Brazilian law, not the other way around.

If you do something illegal you should expect punishment from the law sooner or later.

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

#43

Post by yeahrightfam »

fapjacks wrote: post #28
x5n1 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All governments should extend the courtesy that US extends to their citizens to Americans entering their country. Perhaps that will encourage Americans to encourage their government to treat non-Americans better.

So... You're suggesting Americans have some kind of power over the American government or something?

Did you recently suffered a stroke?

Have you forgot that you think that way too?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11082956

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Post by Artur_Gaspar »

yeahrightfam wrote: post #42

Brazil is a sovereign country and they are free to define their legal system any way they want. Facebook needs to comply with Brazilian law, not the other way around. If you do something illegal you should expect punishment from the law sooner or later.

I'm not saying Facebook is right, but following the law isn't necessarily the right thing to do, neither need one always expect punishment.

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Post by nickpsecurity »

celticninja wrote: post #25
csandreasen wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably about as much as you see from him on the subject of Russia and China. The Intercept is about as unbiased as Fox News - lots of criticism directed towards the US and its allies, silence on every other country.

Lets be fair here: 1: Greenwald is an American so the actions of the US government are relevant to him and his readers. 2: Greenwald is a lawyer, trained in US law, therefore the actions of the US Government vis-a-vis US Law is a suitable topic for him to cover. 3. China and Russia have been oppressing their people and their peoples rights for a long time. Neither have a constitution that is supposed to enshrine the…

He's a journalist living in Brazil who gave speeches to their hovernment about US's abuse of them in terms of spying. Now, what about the country he lives in?

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Post by nickpsecurity »

celticninja wrote: post #35
13thLetter wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China and Russia have been oppressing their people and their peoples rights for a long time. Neither have a constitution that is supposed to enshrine the rights of the citizens. SO there isnt much of a story there Counterpoint: If something goes without saying for long enough, people stop knowing it, because they never hear it. The "drunk looking for his keys under the streetlamp" model of news reporting is indefen…

Im not saying that it's right but it is not Greenwald's fault that this is happening an blaming him for it is essentially trying to discredit what he has brought to light because of what he has not covered. If that isnt a trick straight out of the CIA/NSA handbook then I dont know what is.

Identifying bias or double standards is journalism 101. Spies do that too given they have to collect information too. Yet, wondering about a guy who ran off with the Snowden leaks on his own for selfish gain... even to Schneier's surprise... isnt CIA/NSA propaganda. It's a legitimate concern about his motives and/or moral high ground he tries to leverage in debates.

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Post by danielmantovani »

pmarreck wrote: post #39
danielmantovani wrote: post #22

Just to clarify stupid arguments. The federal police was asking information like ip address from organised crime pages, they use Facebook as other social network pages(In this case actually we are talking about Whatsapp). Don't have ANYTHING TO DO WITH SPY CITIZENS. Like PCC( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primeiro_Comando_da_Capital ) has an official facebook page. There is many people in Brazil who stole cellphones,…

Try and struggle through this please http://martinfowler.com/articles/bothersome-privacy.html Or read the google-translated version into Portuguese https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=pt&js=y&pr... It explains very well why this is no trivial issue to Americans nor to tech people. Also, your drugs should be legalized or decriminalized, anyway. It would put all the bad guys out of business and bring the…

Is really hard to separe what should be known and what should not. Like is total absolute right for many reasons as repression write about an government in anonymous. But it is right spread a video from a naked girl from work who got drunk and slept with you ? That's happen EVERY SINGLE DAY here in Brazil, guys take advantage from girls and screw up they life. Would be quick easy track the first person who did share the video, and this morons in most of the times don't think in use a proxy, Tor or something like. Because if they could think, they would never destroy a person's life doing such stupidness in exception psychopaths.

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Post by danielmantovani »

Artur_Gaspar wrote: post #36
danielmantovani wrote: post #22

Just to clarify stupid arguments. The federal police was asking information like ip address from organised crime pages, they use Facebook as other social network pages(In this case actually we are talking about Whatsapp). Don't have ANYTHING TO DO WITH SPY CITIZENS. Like PCC( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primeiro_Comando_da_Capital ) has an official facebook page. There is many people in Brazil who stole cellphones,…

As someone commented, it could be the case that Facebook/WhatsApp does not even have the data any more. Also, WhatsApp operates as a separate business from Facebook. In my opinion this looks a lot more like a display of power by the government, than an actual effort in the investigation. I don't see either how Facebook would be "protecting themselves". They have little to gain and much to lose by not cooperating with…

Do you really believe that Facebook/WhatsApp don't have the data ? Please we are in 2016, data is everything! Don't you think they sell or use our data for an infinite kind of applications like send ads ? Analysing our personal data like WhatsApp and Facebook they can have so minimum details about us and classify in really minimum groups of "publicity". The mankind never in history had so mach data and ways(powerful computers) to compute it like today. it is not a stupid conspiracy theory, Google does read our email to sell ads and it is in the ToS. The question is, just because it isn't in the ToS it doesn't exist ? And nobody can investigate it ?

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Post by nandemo »

pmarreck wrote: post #39
danielmantovani wrote: post #22

Just to clarify stupid arguments. The federal police was asking information like ip address from organised crime pages, they use Facebook as other social network pages(In this case actually we are talking about Whatsapp). Don't have ANYTHING TO DO WITH SPY CITIZENS. Like PCC( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primeiro_Comando_da_Capital ) has an official facebook page. There is many people in Brazil who stole cellphones,…

Try and struggle through this please http://martinfowler.com/articles/bothersome-privacy.html Or read the google-translated version into Portuguese https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=pt&js=y&pr... It explains very well why this is no trivial issue to Americans nor to tech people. Also, your drugs should be legalized or decriminalized, anyway. It would put all the bad guys out of business and bring the…

First,

> For many people, privacy is a fundamental right - they see no reason why a government should be meddling in my affairs without a more specific reason than a blanket search for possible terrorism.

... this is not about blanket searches, and:

> I'm not saying that privacy is an absolute. Foiling criminal activity often means breaching privacy - a database of phone calls can be helpful tool to investigate a criminal network.

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