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Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Greenwald at The Intercept writes a lot about American spying and overreach in data access. I'll be interested to see what he writes about Brazil's activities such as this.

Probably about as much as you see from him on the subject of Russia and China. The Intercept is about as unbiased as Fox News - lots of criticism directed towards the US and its allies, silence on every other country.

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Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Just to clarify stupid arguments. The federal police was asking information like ip address from organised crime pages, they use Facebook as other social network pages(In this case actually we are talking about Whatsapp). Don't have ANYTHING TO DO WITH SPY CITIZENS. Like PCC(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primeiro_Comando_da_Capital) has an official facebook page. There is many people in Brazil who stole cellphones, kill people and post on Facebook(Yeh, I know is ridiculous dumb, but people does). Definitely the IP address will help the cops. Please stop to talk about stupid spy conspiracy without understand the "why". They arrested Facebook's VP because they don't know what to do anymore, because Facebook always deny the justice requests. Oh, if you think that they are protecting your data, you are just dumb as a stone, they are just protecting them self.

(Sorry for my poor english, it isn't my first or second language.)

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Put simply, they are in contempt of the court disregarding the subpoena. This, under Brazilian law, warrants the arrest. They could fight the subpoena but decided to do nothing, so, I kinda agree with the court on this one.

It's not that simple: it seems that the issue isn't that WhatsApp/Facebook have wilfully disregarded the subpoena, but rather that Brazil isn't happy with their assertions that the information requested doesn't exist. WhatsApp has previously stated publicly that they don't retain any messages once they're delivered; if this is true, it's not strictly that they aren't willing to comply (though this may also be true), it's that they can't comply.

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Greenwald at The Intercept writes a lot about American spying and overreach in data access. I'll be interested to see what he writes about Brazil's activities such as this.

Probably about as much as you see from him on the subject of Russia and China. The Intercept is about as unbiased as Fox News - lots of criticism directed towards the US and its allies, silence on every other country.

Lets be fair here:

1: Greenwald is an American so the actions of the US government are relevant to him and his readers.

2: Greenwald is a lawyer, trained in US law, therefore the actions of the US Government vis-a-vis US Law is a suitable topic for him to cover.

3. China and Russia have been oppressing their people and their peoples rights for a long time. Neither have a constitution that is supposed to enshrine the rights of the citizens. SO there isnt much of a story there i.e. russians have no constitutional right to privacy, when that privacy is invaded by the state because the state has enacted laws that allow it to do that, there is no story. Plus even if there were there are probably russina lawyers and journal;ists who would be more knowledgeable on the subject and could bring it to the awareness of their russian readers. I doubt many russian media watchers read a lot of greenwald.

4. The US sells itself as the land of the free, so their hypocrisy makes the story worthwhile/interesting. China and Russia have never really hidden the fact that they will spy on anyone and everyone that they can. US says "we are your friends" and then spies on everyone regardless of their status as friend or foe.

But you know handy to throw in a straw man argument to try and deflect attention away from the US government and make the journalist the bad guy in this situation.

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Greenwald at The Intercept writes a lot about American spying and overreach in data access. I'll be interested to see what he writes about Brazil's activities such as this.

Probably about as much as you see from him on the subject of Russia and China. The Intercept is about as unbiased as Fox News - lots of criticism directed towards the US and its allies, silence on every other country.

I guess Greenwald doesn't write much about Russia much, but The Intercept has other writers that focus on other countries.

In the past two weeks:

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/19/for-russia-censors-only-...

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/17/the-horror-story-of-publ...

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/15/putin-doesnt-need-to-cen...

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/24/bahrain-finds-opposition...

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/23/egypt-bars-journalist-fr...

Obviously there's more if you look further back. They did a whole documentary series on the Greek austerity deal, for example.

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Judges in Brazil certainly have a way with foreign companies & countries. For example with immigration issues (fingerprinting[1], random deportations) they will go tit for tat. [1] http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/americas/12/30/brazil.usa.immi...

Simple reciprocity.

All governments should extend the courtesy that US extends to their citizens to Americans entering their country. Perhaps that will encourage Americans to encourage their government to treat non-Americans better.

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Simple reciprocity.

All governments should extend the courtesy that US extends to their citizens to Americans entering their country. Perhaps that will encourage Americans to encourage their government to treat non-Americans better.

So... You're suggesting Americans have some kind of power over the American government or something?

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All governments should extend the courtesy that US extends to their citizens to Americans entering their country. Perhaps that will encourage Americans to encourage their government to treat non-Americans better.

So... You're suggesting Americans have some kind of power over the American government or something?

Well it is suppose to be a representative democracy.

Re: Brazil arrests Facebook executive in row over police access to data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple reciprocity.

All governments should extend the courtesy that US extends to their citizens to Americans entering their country. Perhaps that will encourage Americans to encourage their government to treat non-Americans better.

It's kind of pathological to take a story about Brazil doing something wrong and twist it into yet another indictment of the United States. There are other countries in the world, you know.
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