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Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by bartl »

natemartin wrote: post #2

This is fascinating... apparently users are just typing "facebook login" into google, clicking on the first link, and getting very confused as to why they're not actually on facebook. How can you design a web application that is usable by people with this level of computer knowledge? Should one even try?

Google might fix their search results so that the first result is the actual Facebook login. Problem solved.

Anyway, go to Facebook and you have to log in. No need to search for it explicitly.

Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by dtby »

jellobyte wrote: post #117
nfnaaron wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I assume for sake of argument that by "deserve any comments" and "lack of intelligence" that you're including comments similar to those made by the leets against the facebook confused? Why is this OK? Why is it OK to laugh at and discriminate against less intelligent people? What have less intelligent people failed to do, that would have made them more intelligent, that makes them deserve to be looked down on? Is…

"How is this different from laughing at people because their skin is a different color, or they speak a different language?" There's nothing wrong with discrimination in and of itself. It's actually desirable in a lot of cases. For instance, discriminating based upon competency/intelligence is a good thing. Discrimination only becomes a problem when you're discriminating based upon an |irrelevant| characteristic. (Re…

Relevancy is determined by your priorities and/or values.

Which, unless I am misinterpreting the preceding sentence, means that essentially discrimination is never a problem. I think part of the problem is defining "a problem for whom."

Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by epochwolf »

Confusion wrote: post #111
madair wrote: post #72

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There is nothing good about this at all, this is class warfare and culture warfare all wrapped up together, both very bad and both ripping America, among other places, apart right about....now. You have absolutely no clue about this person and yet you are prejudiced against him, her, it. Is he/she/it 10 years old? You have no clue. You don't know background, you know nothing except that this person just feels that th…

You have absolutely no clue about this person If someone makes a public comment that is illegible [1] or incomprehensible, then I have a pretty good clue about that persons inability to write. Considering how close the ability to write and the ability to think are, you also have a pretty good clue about their ability to think. Of course, this all depends on the assumption the comment wasn't just a troll. [1] Or can y…

Pretty sure illegible is only applicable to handwriting. It would mean the same as incomprehensible for typed speech, unless you want to start playing around with character set issues. ;)

Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by oscardelben »

bartl wrote: post #121
natemartin wrote: post #2

This is fascinating... apparently users are just typing "facebook login" into google, clicking on the first link, and getting very confused as to why they're not actually on facebook. How can you design a web application that is usable by people with this level of computer knowledge? Should one even try?

Google might fix their search results so that the first result is the actual Facebook login. Problem solved. Anyway, go to Facebook and you have to log in. No need to search for it explicitly.

So they have to do it for all websites?

Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by epochwolf »

pyre wrote: post #96
jashmenn wrote: post #37

It seems like this effect is now going on at websites that are referencing the original RWW article. See: http://www.khabrein.info/news/New_Facebook_homepage__new_Fac... With great comments like: "Joyce 2010-02-11 07:26:55 How in the hell do I get into my home page?"

The only thing I can really say to this is to give a metaphor that anyone (most people) can understand: It's like accidentally walking into a Burger King but thinking that it's a McDonald's with a new logo, and then screaming and yelling at the employees and manager because they can't fill your order for a Big Mac. I've run into actual people like this in the real world. People that have their head so stuck that they…

People have called 911 because Burger King wasn't McDonald's. (Heard the 911 tape on a local radio show)

Having worked at McDonald's before I've seen this several times. We got one of these people every other shift I worked (mostly drive-thru) and most of them got rather belligerent and insisted we weren't a McDonald's with the sign staring them in the face thirty feet in front of their car.

Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by strongsauce »

Not to hate on Daring Fireball but why is it that a link from his site about this topic gets more comments and points than an original HN that pointed it out in the first place?

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1116039

Its as though no one cared too much about this until Gruber made a post about it.

Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by davidmurphy »

wvenable wrote: post #101
thaumaturgy wrote: post #10

My current primary business is IT consulting, which really means that I spend most of my time working face-to-face with people that have trouble with computers and technology in general. So, this kind of behavior isn't news to me. In fact, I've tried often to convince the tech-savvy that most users have problems like this, and I've never been all that successful. The RWW "Facebook login" is great from this standpoint…

> When a computer puts an error up on the screen The funny thing is, you can turn most people away from the computer and read the error message verbatim (or any other dialog) and they'll be able to answer you. It's merely the fact that it's displayed on the computer that confuses/scares them. Once they've answered you (say "Yes, I want to cancel") you can turn them back to the computer and they'll still have trouble…

This is a great point. A relative still gets really scared when the anti-virus software pops up with an "install update?" kind of message, etc.

She's a smart women with 2 masters degrees, but when an unexpected dialog box or popup box appears on the screen, her brain shuts down and fear takes over.

Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by [deleted] »

blasdel wrote: post #55
thaumaturgy wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't Google's fault. In Firefox, if you type a non-address directly into the address bar, it automagically directs you to the top Google hit for that query. The real failure here is Mozilla, for releasing a "feature" that, as usual, appeals to computer power users, and royally fucks over computer novices.

It's much, much worse on the GTK version of Firefox -- inspired by the X default of mouse3==paste, on such platforms they make the middlemouse.contentLoadURL config default to true. This means that if you middle click anywhere in the window that isn't a link, it instantly redirects you to the "I'm feeling lucky" result for the contents of the last text selection you made. I cannot think of a single creepier usability…

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