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TTIP Enters New and Dangerous Stage as Democracy Is Dismantled in Secret

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Re: TTIP Enters New and Dangerous Stage as Democracy Is Dismantled in Secret

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Post by hollander »

auggierose wrote: post #10

Interesting how a whole article can be written without defining what they are writing about. What the fuck is TTIP?

Interesting to know that there are still people - even visitors here - that don't know what TTIP is! ;-)

The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) is a proposed trade agreement between the European Union and the United States, with the aim of promoting trade and multilateral economic growth. The American government considers the TTIP a companion agreement to the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Invest...

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

auggierose wrote: post #10

Interesting how a whole article can be written without defining what they are writing about. What the fuck is TTIP?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=TTIP

"The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) is a proposed trade agreement between the European Union and the United States"

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Post by theoh »

hollander wrote: post #9
abpavel wrote: post #4

It's especially frightening for us Europeans, that TTIP can overrule existing local legislature, and that officials representing EU states only have access to the full text of 600 pages for 2 hours every thursday, accompanied by two security guards beside you at all times, behind closed doors, after the metal detector where you have leave all your electronics and recording devices behind. Oh, and you're not allowed t…

They should send someone in who has a photographic memory. In two hours he/she can browse those 600 pages, and later someone else can type them out. And this may all be done for a good hourly fee.

I'm skeptical about the existence of that kind of photographic memory.

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Post by Aoyagi »

deif wrote: post #7

Note that TTIP still has to be agreed upon by the EU Parliament. Personally I don't really care what the lobbyists are writing in secret. At some point they have to present to the EUP (where we actually have representation) and they have been very consistent at shutting down the crap that the corporations try to get through. It's not that secret. It's secret while they work on it, sure, but I've watched countless deb…

What makes you think the lobbyists haven't already "processed" MEPs? European institutions, no matter how high-level, haven't exactly been showing great judgement or interest in doing the good thing.

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Post by izacus »

deif wrote: post #7

Note that TTIP still has to be agreed upon by the EU Parliament. Personally I don't really care what the lobbyists are writing in secret. At some point they have to present to the EUP (where we actually have representation) and they have been very consistent at shutting down the crap that the corporations try to get through. It's not that secret. It's secret while they work on it, sure, but I've watched countless deb…

Well, we just found out that 6/7 of our countries MEP's in Parliament voted for TTIP without even reading it. With no consultation or anything else.

I have very low hopes that reason will prevail in this case.

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Post by lhnz »

Is this a reason to vote Brexit?

I would like to be able to vote out any political party that is entering into such an agreement, but if it's the EU's bureaucracy itself I have no democratic way to do so.

(I'm asking this sincerely. I don't yet know enough to be able to be for or against Brexit.)

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Post by nabla9 »

kevindeasis wrote: post #13

Hey smart folks, How does TTIP affect small business, and startups in Australia-Canda-America-Asia? How does TTIP affect small business, and startups in the Pacifics?

TTIP stands for Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership.

You have to worry about TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership)

The Trans-Pacific Partnership may turn out to be the worst trade agreement in decades http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/10/in-2016-bett...

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Post by dcvuob »

theoh wrote: post #14
hollander wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should send someone in who has a photographic memory. In two hours he/she can browse those 600 pages, and later someone else can type them out. And this may all be done for a good hourly fee.

I'm skeptical about the existence of that kind of photographic memory.

It's rare but it does exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Peek

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Post by Aoyagi »

kevindeasis wrote: post #13

Hey smart folks, How does TTIP affect small business, and startups in Australia-Canda-America-Asia? How does TTIP affect small business, and startups in the Pacifics?

I don't think it has any direct affect on those areas. Australasia has TPP, Canada has NAFTA.
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