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TTIP Enters New and Dangerous Stage as Democracy Is Dismantled in Secret

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Re: TTIP Enters New and Dangerous Stage as Democracy Is Dismantled in Secret

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Post by abpavel »

It's especially frightening for us Europeans, that TTIP can overrule existing local legislature, and that officials representing EU states only have access to the full text of 600 pages for 2 hours every thursday, accompanied by two security guards beside you at all times, behind closed doors, after the metal detector where you have leave all your electronics and recording devices behind. Oh, and you're not allowed to take any notes, not even with a pencil. Good luck with booking a slot! If another representative is interested in reading a couple more pages this week, you'll need to wait till next week.

Re: TTIP Enters New and Dangerous Stage as Democracy Is Dismantled in Secret

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Post by Nr7 »

ck2 wrote: post #2

democracy was dismantled a long time ago by corporate manipulation remember how Obama was going to ban lobbyists? ha

>democracy was dismantled a long time ago by corporate manipulation

In the US, yes. Now they are spreading it to Europe with TTIP.

Edit: Not that Europe is some sort of magical haven of democracy currently, but this surely won't improve the situation.

Re: TTIP Enters New and Dangerous Stage as Democracy Is Dismantled in Secret

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Post by sandbags »

abpavel wrote: post #4

It's especially frightening for us Europeans, that TTIP can overrule existing local legislature, and that officials representing EU states only have access to the full text of 600 pages for 2 hours every thursday, accompanied by two security guards beside you at all times, behind closed doors, after the metal detector where you have leave all your electronics and recording devices behind. Oh, and you're not allowed t…

What is really puzzling me is how the procedure for this got approved, and by whom. Who is telling MP's and MEP's that they have to follow these rules? And how are they bound by them?

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Post by deif »

Note that TTIP still has to be agreed upon by the EU Parliament. Personally I don't really care what the lobbyists are writing in secret. At some point they have to present to the EUP (where we actually have representation) and they have been very consistent at shutting down the crap that the corporations try to get through.

It's not that secret. It's secret while they work on it, sure, but I've watched countless debates with the Commission vs. EUP. I still have faith that Parliament can protect us (and if not then there's still public outrage and protest if TTIP is ridiculous).

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Post by iMerNibor »

sandbags wrote: post #6
abpavel wrote: post #4

It's especially frightening for us Europeans, that TTIP can overrule existing local legislature, and that officials representing EU states only have access to the full text of 600 pages for 2 hours every thursday, accompanied by two security guards beside you at all times, behind closed doors, after the metal detector where you have leave all your electronics and recording devices behind. Oh, and you're not allowed t…

What is really puzzling me is how the procedure for this got approved, and by whom. Who is telling MP's and MEP's that they have to follow these rules? And how are they bound by them?

The guys pushing ttip i guess

They're probably allowed to do it however they please, after all they wrote the document and are free to "license" it however they want

What puzzles me is that TTIP is even in consideration anymore with these measures and all the secret keeping in place. If it truly were that good for us WHY on earth would you take these measures?

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Post by hollander »

abpavel wrote: post #4

It's especially frightening for us Europeans, that TTIP can overrule existing local legislature, and that officials representing EU states only have access to the full text of 600 pages for 2 hours every thursday, accompanied by two security guards beside you at all times, behind closed doors, after the metal detector where you have leave all your electronics and recording devices behind. Oh, and you're not allowed t…

They should send someone in who has a photographic memory. In two hours he/she can browse those 600 pages, and later someone else can type them out. And this may all be done for a good hourly fee.
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