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Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about their development”

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Re: Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about their development”

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I company I worked at contracted a company to do "scientific" questionnaires of staff, so management knew which kind of personalities people had, what they wanted out of a job etc. We had to sit through an hour presentation, being told what makes us happy. Everyone was forced to do the questionnaire and afterwards we had an opportunity to discuss the results with the company and our managers. All through the process,…

My theory is that it seems so much easier to "delegate" and buy one's responsibility out of the problem when one's budget is awash with investor cash, particularly for public companies. In some ways it is often refreshing to work for early-stage/cash-starved companies because blatant waste such as this is not that easy to achieve. A darker variant of this theory tries to determine whether the principals of the firm being contracted have any relationship with the people hiring them.

Re: Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about their development”

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Funny thing missing from this thread: Money. Doesn't anyone work for money anymore? You know, that stuff that allows you to survive day to day? I guess it just sounds better to say that you go to work to "change the world" or "fulfill a lifelong passion" or "grow your career". Saying you're in it for money is crass. If I want personal fulfillment or engaging projects or ping pong, I can do that outside of work, AND I…

If I didn't need the compensation? Yes, I'm lucky to say that I would.

Re: Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about their development”

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The term "Glass Ceiling" was created to help discuss the difficulties for advancement by women and minority / upwardly mobile individuals in the workplace. I'd venture a guess HN is likely stratified to a predominately middle-aged or younger demographic (US), albeit with a significant number of professionals with decades of longevity with technology. So, not the primary target of the concept, but a group that definit…

That's an interesting term, "Grey Ceiling." It makes a lot of sense though.

In the "Great Recession" a similar effect happened when many who lost their jobs took new jobs that they were overqualified for. This blocked out entry level workers and recent graduates, especially when other companies also adopted hiring freezes.

A related situation can also be if a company stops growing. If you're not growing then the company doesn't have new opportunities for people to take on. There's few promotions then and work can be "maintenance mode" (as an early thread above talks about with engineers) for everyone, thus creating boredom and career stagnation.

Re: Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about their development”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because after a while, more money doesn't motivate. Most of us are making levels of money where an extra $10k or so isn't really going to make as much of a difference in your day to day life as some of these other things.

"Most" of us? Maybe if most of us are execs and senior VPs. For the rest of us $10K is a big chunk of change--a significant percentage of compensation. $10K is about $500/mo after taxes, which could, for example, mean being able to afford to live in a much better neighborhood or send your kids to a better school.

There's a lot of studies that show that money is a poor motivator long term once you pass the essentials for life (which admittedly in the Valley is higher than many other places). As important, some of those studies show that especially in roles requiring creativity (like engineering, design, etc) it actually negatively effects motivation and output.

See Dan Pink's Drive for a good summary of many of this research, which has led to his Autonomy - Mastery - Purpose framework that is part of his more well-known TED Talk on the subject: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation

Coincidentally, those 3 pieces of his framework hit on many of the aspects of this thread and especially the Gallup research on the desire for goals and growth.

Re: Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about their development”

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On the other hand, I don't want to be condescended to by managers that invite me to meetings about improving me , assessing my personality, helping me "grow." I want to help improve the product , and the most fundamental way to engage me with that is to ask me for input and take my ideas & concerns seriously. Just coffee and a chat every now and then is a great setting for that. No need for made-up agendas and bullet…

On the third hand, if you have some kind of career goals, then you probably want to be making some kind of progress towards them. While it's not always possible to discuss such goals with your employer (eg. if your goal is "become the CTO" and your immediate manager's goal is also "become the CTO" then discussing this with them is likely to end poorly), it's important to at least let them know which direction you wan…

The underlying problem for you and mbrock is that managers are rarely rewarded for doing these things.

Mbrock is essentially asking for a one on one that isn't filled with Status Updates and platitudes. One that fosters genuine conversation and values their input.

You're talking about real growth and whether it's a specific title or new skills, that's also a huge motivator.

Unfortunately, in most companies, managers are not rewarded for doing either of those things, nor punished for failing to do them.

The only company I know that even measures it is Google, who uses something called the "Upward Feedback Survey" to gauge it and found correlation between scores on the survey and quality of managers (team output, turnover, etc). More on the survey and some of the research behind it here: https://getlighthouse.com/blog/google-management/

Re: Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about their development”

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I think there may be some confusion between satisfaction through perks with satisfaction through doing great work. I require certain perks - sufficient time off with my family, time to educate myself further, a reasonably stocked cafeteria, quiet spaces - but I also need to feel satisfied by knowing the work I do is important - and what is "important" to me may not be important to anyone else and what is important to…

You hit on something that researchers discovered in the 60s.

Turns out some things you need to be ok, but they don't make you happy. If you don't have them, they make you unhappy. They're called "Hygiene Factors".

Then there's a whole set of things that if you have them, they make you happy, but the absence doesn't make you unhappy. These are called "Motivators".

More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-factor_theory

Re: Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about their development”

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If you get a great boss, stay where you are. There's not much more important, IME.

I've also seen assertions that employees don't leave companies, they leave supervisors.

And the data backs up that statement... https://getlighthouse.com/blog/gallup-employee-engagement-su...

Re: Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about their development”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strong visions can be arrived at collectively -- but it requires trust, not voting. If I have 10 people, and 7 vote A and 3 vote B, then A should be the collective "strong vision". The thing is, those three people that voted for B still think that B was the best approach, because nothing has worked to change their mind post-vote. It's exactly equivalent to your boss coming and telling you to take out the trash, when…

But then how is that different from a new boss coming in, having a strong, but different, vision than you? I don't disagree, but now you seem to claim something else. Originally you just wanted a strong vision with goals, regardless whether the employees agree. Now you want buy-in too. And there is also principle of subsidiarity. If people strongly disagree on the vision, they can come to some compromise where they r…

> But then how is that different from a new boss coming in, having a strong, but different, vision than you?

I don't understand the perspective you are asking this question from. But, my responsibility would be to follow my boss' vision. If it has clear and achievable goals, then it's easy for me to figure out what to do. Visions which are too broadly scoped won't have clear and achievable goals. Visions which are too narrowly scoped is micromanagement.

I might not always agree, but in those cases I will voice my ideas / concerns. After I know I've been heard out, I will defer because it's my boss' decision to make, not mine. As long as my concerns are heard and integrated into the decision, then I should be content.

> I don't disagree, but now you seem to claim something else. Originally you just wanted a strong vision with goals, regardless whether the employees agree. Now you want buy-in too.

There's a clear delineation between leadership -- aka, vision-creation -- and implementation. My original opening of "as an employee" was meant to frame the remainder of my comment as from the perspective of someone responsible for implementing a vision. The remainder of the discussion has been about the leadership side, or how to create a vision in the first place. If you are creating a vision with a group, you need buy-in from the entire group. If you don't, then individual leadership will walk away with differing interpretations and goals, which is what leads to dysfunction. These separate visions will then be pushed down the line, and you will have implementers working at cross-purposes, political infighting, etc.

This ~~synchronicity~~ synchronization on the leadership side is the important part. If a unified vision is being clearly pushed to all the implementers, then the collective action will result in a singular vector towards the vision. If unclear or even competing visions are being pushed, then you won't get collective movement because all the individual actions will be moving towards different results.

> And there is also principle of subsidiarity. If people strongly disagree on the vision, they can come to some compromise where they realize each vision in their own domains.

It's one thing to acknowledge that there are two potential solutions, and as a group decide that both will be explored. It's a completely different situation to have two groups that can't come to terms and are therefore competing against each other.

EDIT: Big words are hard. Let's go shopping.

Re: Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about their development”

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It's kind of amazing how often this is getting talked about, but little seems to be changing.

A few examples:

1) Mary Meeker's Internet Trends 2015 -> http://www.slideshare.net/kleinerperkins/internet-trends-v1

2) Gallup, here and in some of their research -> http://www.gallup.com/services/182138/state-american-manager...

3) Deloitte's latest study on Millennials -> https://getlighthouse.com/blog/deloitte-survey-millennials-2...

4) Reid Hoffman's book, The Alliance -> http://www.slideshare.net/reidhoffman/the-alliance-a-visual-...

Companies don't reward managers for caring about people's development, so it won't change until companies start to.

Re: Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about their development”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is something I don't understand: How does one effectively deliver on a project while writing crappy code? Doesn't trying to do that result in the codebase becoming so confusing that you don't know how to add things to it without breaking other things?

When writing crappy code you are either not thinking long term at all, or you are just "kicking the can down the road", in that you'll pay for it later when there isn't a time crunch. Not that I've ever done something like that...

What I mean is, how do you keep it from catching up with you a week later?
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