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Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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I thought the "download" part was funny too. 1g is as fast as many people's laptop hard drives anyway, so local storage is pretty much pointless.

Local storage still matters since bandwidth is not the only thing people care about: http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~cheshire/rants/Latency.html

Don't have time to find the source, but latency is comrable as well.

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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Forget 5 minutes for a full feature film. If you are getting 1gb/sec., you will be able to download a BlueRay movie in 30-60 sec.

The speeds are 1 gigabit connections. The Dark Knight Blu Ray was approx. 35GiB. At 1 gigabit connections speed it would take 280 seconds in a best case scenario. That doesn't account for any network overhead and assumes the storage medium can write > 125MiB/s (Pretty much discounting all standard platter drives) The 5-10 minute figure is reasonable.

Jeez. Back in my day, movies were ~700MB. That way we could put them on these things called CDs. Ever hear of CDs? Damn kids.

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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post #79

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Actually, Norway and Sweden has a lower population density than the US has; we've got even more land mass per person. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependenc... I think it has more to do with that we don't leave infrastructure development squarely in the hands of the market.

well for the most part, the US has no market for utilities - it is all monopolies

Government-issued monopolies. This is terrible stick to try to bludgeon markets with; there's hardly a market to be found.

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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Wasn't the XBox hardware pretty much sold at cost to sell their games for their own platform? How many recent games does Microsoft have for the PS or Nintendo?

All consoles (at least at launch, and for years afterwards) are sold at a loss, with profits made up on the games. The difference for Microsoft is that the XBox division has never made a profit, unlike Sony's or Nintendo's. Note: the Wii is the only recent exception to this rule that I know of; the hardware has been sold at a profit since day one.

If I recall correctly the GameCube, DS and GBA were all profitable from day one as well. It's possible this goes back as far as the NES.

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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Isn't the poor coverage of decent internet connections a much bigger issue? Highspeed internet in urban areas might be cool but what about the rest of the country.

Apparently, 63% of US adults live in households with broadband. Considering the number people who avoid or can't use the internet (i.e. older folks) this seems like remarkable penetration to me. PDF: http://www.pewinternet.org/~/media/Files/Reports/2009/Home-B...

Plenty of old people can use the internet. I suspect more people don't have broadband because it's not available at a reasonable price for them than you might think. Adults living in rural America had home high-speed usage grow from 38% in 2008 to 46% in 2009. vs. Among adults whose highest level of educational attainment is a high school degree, broadband adoption grew from 40% in 2008 to 52% in 2009.

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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You may have a problem in NY. In general, the more built up a place is, the more vested interests there are, and the more they are able to manipulate the legislative process. Google moves at Internet speed. Out in the "real world", it's still illegal to sell cars and wine over the Internet, because the local car and liquor distributors have gotten their preferences written into the law. You may find that Google can't…

Not to mention it's harder to build a network where everything is paved over and digging requires navigating through a couple hundred years of previous projects (and having to use union labor for it). I don't envy anyone having to plan a network buildout in NYC. In many other parts of the country it's mostly digging through dirt and in when you're in a neighborhood using a water jet to tunnel under driveways. Piece o…

Rolling out fiber in NYC takes less digging than you might think, there is a lot of open space where huge bundles of copper wire where used by the telcos. It can become expensive to rewire a building, but cable companies did this not so long ago.

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Average access speed is dropping because of the increased penetration of wireless access in the US lately.

Then what's the excuse for Japan being so much higher? They've had a lot of wireless access for quite a while, and web browsing on their phones for much longer. If that's taken into account, they should be significantly lower.

It's not an issue of wireless penetration, it's about maturity. Obviously the first rollout in the USA is going to be slower than a mature infrastructure like Japan's.

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$2000? citation needed.

http://www.ftthcouncil.org/en/knowledge-center/legislative-r... Apparently it's down to ~$1,000 if you assume 100% take rate and don't attempt to serve rural areas, but it will easily exceed $2,000 in realistic deployments. In Utah if you're willing to pay for your fiber upfront it's only $3,000. And then you still have to pay the monthly fee for Internet access on top of that. http://www.app-rising.com/2009/11/utopi…

Oh, I thought you were insinuating that any truck roll cost $2000. In this case, I can say that your original statement is incorrect: it's not $2000 per customer, it's $2000 per residence at most. (Consider college towns, where lots of residents cycle through few apartments.)

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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post #117

Linking this news to what i read an year ago about google criticizing the router manufacturer for their lousy equipments(performance and both hw/sw quality) i just wonder from who they will buy their optical equipments... Sadly they are not an hw company, so no google router anytime soon.

Supposedly Google designs their own servers and switches already; routers wouldn't be much of a stretch. Or they could call an existing vendor and get customized equipment. At the 50,000-customer level the economy of scale might work.
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