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Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by awl130 » Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 5:14 PM UTC

leemoore wrote: post #24

I believe the main factor at play in the first pair of images, is that on LSD and other hallucinogens as well as intensive meditation is that there are little mind programs that run on our perception that smooth out reality for us. If you notice, even just sitting still we are constantly moving our head just a little, constantly moving our eyes. Without these programs, our visual field would seem far more jumpy and u…

i've been meditating for 6 yrs now and i'm interested in your meditation experience. do u have a blog or social media account or something publicly available about it?

Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by ChristianBundy » Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 5:30 PM UTC

purplerabbit wrote: post #27

throwawayornot wrote: post #20

"* LSD here is a shorthand for psychedelics in general."

The tracing effect is specific to LSD and LSD-like compounds. Mescaline and DMT, for instance, have very different effects.

Yep, ergolines are known specifically for this behavior (although I've had similar experiences with psilocybin).

Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by asveikau » Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 5:30 PM UTC

sqlftw wrote: post #4

Many years ago I tried LSD, and for whatever reason, I never seemed to experience visual hallucinations. However, in recent years, cars have started having LED tail lights, which really bother my eyes. Several times I have asked my friends, "Aren't those terrible!?" to which they might reply, "They are pretty bright." Bright! They aren't just too bright, they are intensely STROBING! Can normal people not see that? Is…

I get visual migraines and your comment reminds me of the experience. Perception of light is often out of the norm for me. Sometimes I will see lights that aren't there. Sometimes I will have certain visual triggers for these effects.

Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by goatforce5 » Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 5:44 PM UTC

agentgt wrote: post #11

sqlftw wrote: post #4

Many years ago I tried LSD, and for whatever reason, I never seemed to experience visual hallucinations. However, in recent years, cars have started having LED tail lights, which really bother my eyes. Several times I have asked my friends, "Aren't those terrible!?" to which they might reply, "They are pretty bright." Bright! They aren't just too bright, they are intensely STROBING! Can normal people not see that? Is…

I hate to continue your tangent but I do feel something that is relevant to the OP article are new vehicles that have blinking break lights. Most people don't notice these new break lights (I think its on Chevy cars) but when the driver breaks there is a very fast and subtle blinking of the red tail lights (opposed to just the red tail lights being on for older cars). I only noticed this blinking while under... but n…

A kid I went to school with would be driven mad by fluorescent lights flickering, even if no one else could see it.

I have no reason to think he had been taking hallucinogenics as a preteen.

Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 5:45 PM UTC

rudolf0 wrote: post #31

notthegov wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DMT is much different than LSD. I have never heard anyone talk about machine elves and LSD. DMT is a legitimate mystery of science and is not a drug in the traditional sense.

It's so odd how there's a near-universal reporting of small elf- or dwarf-like creatures from that drug. Is there any proposed mechanism of action for how it works?

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Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by ethanbond » Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 5:59 PM UTC

1812Overture wrote: post #47

Sounds like a great way to gaslight someone.

Which seems especially insidious to do to someone who's tripping. Holy shit.

Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by ScottBurson » Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 6:02 PM UTC

tyho wrote: post #7

sqlftw wrote: post #4

Many years ago I tried LSD, and for whatever reason, I never seemed to experience visual hallucinations. However, in recent years, cars have started having LED tail lights, which really bother my eyes. Several times I have asked my friends, "Aren't those terrible!?" to which they might reply, "They are pretty bright." Bright! They aren't just too bright, they are intensely STROBING! Can normal people not see that? Is…

Low frequancy PWM is annoying, it's not just you: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?104151-Ir...

Yeah, I really think the NHTSA should mandate a much higher minimum frequency.

Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by wavefunction » Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 6:07 PM UTC

asveikau wrote: post #53

sqlftw wrote: post #4

Many years ago I tried LSD, and for whatever reason, I never seemed to experience visual hallucinations. However, in recent years, cars have started having LED tail lights, which really bother my eyes. Several times I have asked my friends, "Aren't those terrible!?" to which they might reply, "They are pretty bright." Bright! They aren't just too bright, they are intensely STROBING! Can normal people not see that? Is…

I get visual migraines and your comment reminds me of the experience. Perception of light is often out of the norm for me. Sometimes I will see lights that aren't there. Sometimes I will have certain visual triggers for these effects.

There is some evidence that psilocybin in low doses (much lower than "effective for recreation") can ameliorate or even cure migraines. I mention this as I have a member of my family that suffers from terrible periodic migraines and I myself experience migraines at least once a year.

Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by gwern » Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 6:08 PM UTC

duaneb wrote: post #46

Related: gwern's study was pretty bad in a number of ways, most notably that it's unlikely the lsd was stored correctly, which will have a large effect on potency and make dosage much less meaningful as the test progresses. Furthermore, I think there's a lot to be said that the brain needs to be "trained" to make good uses of the drug, including microdoses—you might be able to recognize the effects better if you're a…

> Related: gwern's study was pretty bad in a number of ways, most notably that it's unlikely the lsd was stored correctly, which will have a large effect on potency and make dosage much less meaningful as the test progresses.

It was stored fine. LSD will not self-destruct in days when stored in distilled water in a refrigerator. It will not even self-destruct after multiple decades in a jar. People store LSD in all sorts of forms for regular trips and it works fine, and somehow, people keep reporting positive microdose experiences regardless of how they sourced or stored their LSD...

Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by imesh » Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 6:26 PM UTC

rudolf0 wrote: post #31

notthegov wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DMT is much different than LSD. I have never heard anyone talk about machine elves and LSD. DMT is a legitimate mystery of science and is not a drug in the traditional sense.

It's so odd how there's a near-universal reporting of small elf- or dwarf-like creatures from that drug. Is there any proposed mechanism of action for how it works?

I dit DMT once. No elves or other creatures.