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Mark Zuckerberg Backs Apple in Its Refusal to Unlock iPhone

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Backs Apple in Its Refusal to Unlock iPhone

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you could also say that a PR campaign putting all our trust into apple with a behind-doors deal to actually privately share that information is worth even more to both parties.

you could also argue that the NSA has the data already and would know if it even needs to be unlocked. If not, someone is smart enough to know: it still makes for a good PR campaign.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apologies, what is DO?

DO = Digital Ocean. The parent wrote the abbreviated term subconsciously because he used to work at Digital Ocean.

Ah thanks, I'll commit this to my lexicon.

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This is an interesting tug of war. Considering 50% of Americans are taking the opposite stance, the SV elites are in the minority. (35%) Yet no pro-government business executive has emerged. I guess it's a risky position to take. I have a feeling the government will eventually figure out a way to get its way without our realizing.

I consider the "50% of Americans" stat to be useless. This is a complicated topic for technologists to grasp. To expect the general public to understand the implications of what they're being asked in order to provide an informed answer is a stretch.

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This is an interesting tug of war. Considering 50% of Americans are taking the opposite stance, the SV elites are in the minority. (35%) Yet no pro-government business executive has emerged. I guess it's a risky position to take. I have a feeling the government will eventually figure out a way to get its way without our realizing.

I would be absolutely shocked if the government didn't have numerous ways to get into any information on any commercial phone. What they don't have is a simple device that average joe agent has access to at the local office, and of course his civilian police force compatriot.

Just a suspicion but I imagine the narrative that FBI, DEA, ATF, IRS or any federal agency is frustrated that the NSA won't share its toys with them has some truth to it. Of course, it makes sense. Complying to very single request would leave NSA as mere peons.

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This is an interesting tug of war. Considering 50% of Americans are taking the opposite stance, the SV elites are in the minority. (35%) Yet no pro-government business executive has emerged. I guess it's a risky position to take. I have a feeling the government will eventually figure out a way to get its way without our realizing.

50% of Americans can only take the opposite stance if they know what stance they are taking. The reporting on the poll doesn't reveal any screening questions to determine whether the respondents understand the issues at stake. If they don't understand the issue, then the 50% is answering a question about something else. If they asked the question "Should Apple make it easier for terrorists and foreign hackers to acce…

Complying with the FBI's request does not make it easier for terrorists and foreign hackers to access data on American phones. This is a case where having a little bit of knowledge leads to a wildly inaccurate conclusion, similar to Greenwald's original PRISM reporting.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Backs Apple in Its Refusal to Unlock iPhone

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Given what I saw when I was at DO, everyone should back apple in their refusal to unlock the iPhone.

As a DO (digital ocean) customer, care to elaborate?

Under penalty of prosecution, not really.

All I can say is that they genuinely do their best to protect you. For me it's that they have to spent a lot of resource (fiscal and other) to protect you from what is in my opinion: really sketchy shameful shit on the US and many other government's part.

If people want to really know why tech companies are at the point of enough is enough, it's because many governments continually try to twist laws/regulations/random stuff/whatever they want/made up shit in an attempt to get what they want. Eventually becomes boring, annoying and very expensive telling them they're wrong.

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I feel like my positioned has changed a bit now that it is clearer the iPhone is owned by the same party that wants to recover the data?

This comment doesn't seem to make any sense whatsoever, care to expand on what you meant?

I was originally wholly on the side of Apple since I place an exceedingly high value on privacy and against government intrusion. But now that I understand that the phone is the county's, it seems more like a case of a phone owner just wanting to recover their own data. Thanks for the downvote, though!
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