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Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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It's the normal thing to do in the States too. Quote stolen from another thread: "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age of beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick,…

American business mantra: better to ask for forgiveness after committing the crime, then to ask for permission before. I don't know any major business who does not follow this.

Really? Most big businesses in America devote incredible resources to following the law. Of course there are prominent examples to the contrary, but those are the exceptions, not the norm.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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American business mantra: better to ask for forgiveness after committing the crime, then to ask for permission before. I don't know any major business who does not follow this.

Really? Most big businesses in America devote incredible resources to following the law. Of course there are prominent examples to the contrary, but those are the exceptions, not the norm.

No they devote incredible resources to covering their ass when shit hits the fan. Obviously compliance is another issue entirely. But they are always lobbying hard to get rid of that, until they get rid of it and shit hits the fan again. Ex. Enron.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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I like that you said you were stealing from another thread and then quoted a book. A book that isn't evidence of your assertion.

yeah I thought about rebuking his point, but someone who quotes fiction texts not from 'another thread', but from a book written in 1957 that was talking more about socialism and fascism in Hitler's Germany and Russia, and proceeds to copy and paste an entire paragraph in order to support his point about US in 2016 Well, that's some sort of superpower right there.

Less a super-power and more a sad reflection of the lack of integrity, enlightenment, and honesty of both those that are put in power and those who put them there.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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and with that, I suddenly regret not reading me some Ayn Rand

No, you're better off.

Writing her off completely is also wrong. While I may not agree with much of what she said, I do agree with that paragraph. Case in point: the Civil Asset Forfeiture "law"s.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Any non-Chinese company that insists on tying its fortune to the Chinese market is taking on tremendous risk. The goal posts are always changing , you need to constantly worry about IP theft, you can easily get on the wrong side of the government, and they strongly protect local interests. Investment is welcome, but as soon as you actually start making a lot of money and recouping your investment some barrier of sort…

Chinese don't care about the global Capitalist class. Chinese care about China. It's the way it should be. South Koreans also don't care about the foreign Capitalist class and neither do the Japanese. The only reason they allow foreign investment is for market development and perhaps to get some corporate know-how and secrets. Chinese don't need the money, most Chinese can get the loans from the government based on h…

This is sad truth, but yet still truth.

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I would say bad China, but given how polarised and politicised the Western media is, I find it hard to fault them. Unbiased journalism seems such a quaint concept these days, and as the divisions between right and left take on an almost war like characteristic, everything becomes propaganda. Hell, I might even move to China to get away from it all.

Are you joking? In China, non-propaganda is explicitly forbidden by law.

At least they are honest about it, and I dont read Chinese.

On the other hand, watching political agitators with an axe to grind masquerading as journalists makes me mad.

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Any non-Chinese company that insists on tying its fortune to the Chinese market is taking on tremendous risk. The goal posts are always changing , you need to constantly worry about IP theft, you can easily get on the wrong side of the government, and they strongly protect local interests. Investment is welcome, but as soon as you actually start making a lot of money and recouping your investment some barrier of sort…

Chinese don't care about the global Capitalist class. Chinese care about China. It's the way it should be. South Koreans also don't care about the foreign Capitalist class and neither do the Japanese. The only reason they allow foreign investment is for market development and perhaps to get some corporate know-how and secrets. Chinese don't need the money, most Chinese can get the loans from the government based on h…

> In America the Capitalist class also plays by its own rules. They will steal an idea, pump it with money, then dump it on the public... and walk away with billions. While the product lasts maybe a year or two.

Billions? Billion dollar companies are rare and ones that reach billions and only last a only year are two can be counted on your fingers.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Chinese don't care about the global Capitalist class. Chinese care about China. It's the way it should be. South Koreans also don't care about the foreign Capitalist class and neither do the Japanese. The only reason they allow foreign investment is for market development and perhaps to get some corporate know-how and secrets. Chinese don't need the money, most Chinese can get the loans from the government based on h…

> In America the Capitalist class also plays by its own rules. They will steal an idea, pump it with money, then dump it on the public... and walk away with billions. While the product lasts maybe a year or two. Billions? Billion dollar companies are rare and ones that reach billions and only last a only year are two can be counted on your fingers.

Perhaps it's hyperbole, but it happens. Maybe the losses are smaller maybe the time frame is longer. Whatever, it happens.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Sounds like the normal thing in China. Make something illegal, don't enforce it, if someone's saying something you don't like then enforce it specifically against them, keeps everyone else in line.

echoing what vpalan2 said below: "If I wanted to do massive, irreparable harm to China, this is the law I would pass. And yet, they have done this willingly to themselves, without hesitation or incident." These aren't the smart engineering politicians with a 10 year view China has foisted its fable onto the world. These are the corrupt paranoid politicians who know they are one mass protest away from having all their…

> In total, 106 members of China's National People's Congress and 97 members of Chinese People’s Political Consultative Congress, are on Hurun's China Rich List. Their combined wealth hits $463.8 billion.

Ummm... The NPC has 2987. Put in context 97 of 2987 are rich or 3%. That's a far better stat than you'll find for the US senate or congress. The CPPCC is larger.

Add to that the comparison to the median wealth all American Politicians, your comment is all smoke and mirrors. Compare likes to likes.

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Your quote compares the combined wealth of Chinese politicians with the median wealth of American politicians. That's a misleading statistic if I ever saw one.

In addition, it's the wealth of the very top level politicians in China vs median wealth of all politicians (If I understand correctly) in US. A fair comparison should be the senators and representatives.

The OP must have worked for the Chinese propaganda department!
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