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Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Sounds like the normal thing in China. Make something illegal, don't enforce it, if someone's saying something you don't like then enforce it specifically against them, keeps everyone else in line.

Yes, the mountains are high and the emperor is far away. ;) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian_gao,_Huangdi_yuan

Those who know don't care and those who care don't know.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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post #94

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That's a generous reading of those points. You're not including everything. #2 - endangering national security, or harming national honor and interests [national honor? not illegal in Canada] #3 - undermining national unity, or going against ethnic customs and habits [going against ethnic habits? not illegal in Canada] #5 - insulting or slandering others, infringing upon the legitimate rights of others [I'll give you…

> You're not including everything. And you're not including the first words of each bullet point, which clearly ARE illegal here. - disclosing state secrets, endangering national security, or harming national honor and interests Illegal, possibly illegal, and while we don't have a concept of national 'honor', going against national interests can be illegal, depending on context. - inciting ethnic hatred or ethnic dis…

“Insulting others” is illegal in Canada?

Edit: “Insult” and “slander” are two entirely different things. To insult is to speak disrespectfully or abusively about someone. An insult would be something like “Donald Trump is an asshole.” To slander is to make false defamatory statements about someone, e.g. “I saw Donald Trump kick a puppy.”

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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post #13

Sounds like the normal thing in China. Make something illegal, don't enforce it, if someone's saying something you don't like then enforce it specifically against them, keeps everyone else in line.

echoing what vpalan2 said below: "If I wanted to do massive, irreparable harm to China, this is the law I would pass. And yet, they have done this willingly to themselves, without hesitation or incident." These aren't the smart engineering politicians with a 10 year view China has foisted its fable onto the world. These are the corrupt paranoid politicians who know they are one mass protest away from having all their…

Your quote compares the combined wealth of Chinese politicians with the median wealth of American politicians. That's a misleading statistic if I ever saw one.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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post #13

Sounds like the normal thing in China. Make something illegal, don't enforce it, if someone's saying something you don't like then enforce it specifically against them, keeps everyone else in line.

echoing what vpalan2 said below: "If I wanted to do massive, irreparable harm to China, this is the law I would pass. And yet, they have done this willingly to themselves, without hesitation or incident." These aren't the smart engineering politicians with a 10 year view China has foisted its fable onto the world. These are the corrupt paranoid politicians who know they are one mass protest away from having all their…

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Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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post #123

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References?

This is pretty close to the situation in the US with patent law. It's technically illegal to make something with a round corner because that's Apple's patent. If you piss off Apple, they'll try to enforce it. If you don't piss them off, they won't care. The law will side with Apple because they have better lawyers than you do.

Holy fuck people get confused. Or maybe it is intentional.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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post #13

Sounds like the normal thing in China. Make something illegal, don't enforce it, if someone's saying something you don't like then enforce it specifically against them, keeps everyone else in line.

echoing what vpalan2 said below: "If I wanted to do massive, irreparable harm to China, this is the law I would pass. And yet, they have done this willingly to themselves, without hesitation or incident." These aren't the smart engineering politicians with a 10 year view China has foisted its fable onto the world. These are the corrupt paranoid politicians who know they are one mass protest away from having all their…

For those who don't want to do the math

463.8/(106+97) = avg of ~2.28 billion per china congress critter

Edit: as pointed out below, the math is more complex as there is 2987 seats in the NPC and I can't quickly find numbers for the number of total seats in the CPPCC, so the average is certainly drastically lower than the above.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Any non-Chinese company that insists on tying its fortune to the Chinese market is taking on tremendous risk. The goal posts are always changing , you need to constantly worry about IP theft, you can easily get on the wrong side of the government, and they strongly protect local interests. Investment is welcome, but as soon as you actually start making a lot of money and recouping your investment some barrier of sorts is bound to appear and you'll be phased out in favor of a local player. This is going to come back to haunt China at a time when growth is slowing and when they are going to need investment the most.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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post #91

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This isn't exclusive to China. Many western countries have followed suit.

References?

The World Press Freedom Index [1] might be a good place to start exploring. You can click on individual countries to see trends. However, I have a hard time getting more details from the site.

[1] http://index.rsf.org/

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're not including everything. And you're not including the first words of each bullet point, which clearly ARE illegal here. - disclosing state secrets, endangering national security, or harming national honor and interests Illegal, possibly illegal, and while we don't have a concept of national 'honor', going against national interests can be illegal, depending on context. - inciting ethnic hatred or ethnic dis…

“Insulting others” is illegal in Canada? Edit: “Insult” and “slander” are two entirely different things. To insult is to speak disrespectfully or abusively about someone. An insult would be something like “Donald Trump is an asshole.” To slander is to make false defamatory statements about someone, e.g. “I saw Donald Trump kick a puppy.”

Slander is, yes. If you can prove its truthful it's OK, if it's provably false it's illegal, and you can take the offending party to court.

Edit - publicly insulting someone often falls into slander, depending on what was said. In Canada all charges are pressed by the crown, so to a certain degree they decide what's what. In general, if there's the possibility of damages arising from the insults, it can be prosecuted.

Edit2 - here's an interesting one for you: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/insulting-police-onli...

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

echoing what vpalan2 said below: "If I wanted to do massive, irreparable harm to China, this is the law I would pass. And yet, they have done this willingly to themselves, without hesitation or incident." These aren't the smart engineering politicians with a 10 year view China has foisted its fable onto the world. These are the corrupt paranoid politicians who know they are one mass protest away from having all their…

For those who don't want to do the math 463.8/(106+97) = avg of ~2.28 billion per china congress critter Edit: as pointed out below, the math is more complex as there is 2987 seats in the NPC and I can't quickly find numbers for the number of total seats in the CPPCC, so the average is certainly drastically lower than the above.

Those are the numbers of people who are on the rich list, not the total in those political bodies.

To get the average per "congress critter" you'd have to get the total in each body, and get the net worths of the ones not on the rich list. I suspect it's less than 2.28B, but still a good bit higher than in the US.

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