If you want to read more about the two different Stuxnet attacks, I highly recommend Ralph Langner's 2013 write-up "To Kill A Centrifuge" http://www.langner.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/To-kill... (36 page PDF) Langner was the first researcher (outside of those who were involved in its creation) to discover Stuxnet.
It's interesting reading that doc in light of this news, as Langer notes that in 2009 the attack vector changed significantly, from a stealthy, bespoke, pressure-oriented attack, to a more vicious but easier to identify rotor-speed attack (the one we've all heard of), and also increased its infectivity by self-propagating. > "Whatever the effect of the overpressure attack was, the attackers decided to try something d…
But you didn't say that AIPAC is powerful (it is) or people like Sheldon Adelson are influential (they are.) You said: "But Israelis have bought our corruptible political system to the point where all our politicians fight each other to prove who is more of a "friend" to Israel. If the US where acting in its real best interest it would keep Israel at much more of an arm's length. In a way Israel is much more of a dan…
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-spy-net-on-israel-snares-con... "Stepped-up NSA eavesdropping revealed to the White House how Mr. Netanyahu and his advisers had leaked details of the U.S.-Iran negotiations—learned through Israeli spying operations—to undermine the talks; coordinated talking points with Jewish-American groups against the deal; and asked undecided lawmakers what it would take to win their votes, accord…
So... you are incredibly offended about how Israel spied on the United States, and it's fortunate that American spying on Israel revealed this terrible behavior? Or... what? Not sure what you're getting at, here; perhaps you should add a little context to your blind link quoting.
Hate to turn this into a political thread when there is so much info about software but.... The sheer arrogance with with Israel operates is just something else. They seem to to believe that no action they take will ever be questioned or lead to any blowback. The almost total control of US Foreign policy that they have now makes me think that the Iran deal being operationalized was nothing sort of a coup for Pres. Ob…
> The almost total control of US Foreign policy ...
Which US foreign policy decisions in the past 10 years were "controlled" by Israel? Sanctions on Russia? Missile defence system in Europe? North Korea? Relations with China? War on Terror? Libya campaign? US non-response to the "Arab spring"? Campaign in Syria? Drone strikes in Pakistan? Relations with Latin America? War on Drugs? Spying on Angela Merkel?
Literally nothing of what the US did in the last decade had anything to do with Israel. Even when it comes to Iran - which Israeli leaders considered to be an existential threat - Israel completely failed to influence the US foreign policy.
Not sure how this is true. What do you mean by "ally against Iran"? The US is Israel's ally against Iran, but what has the US against Iran if not for Israel? The entire point of contention between Iran and the US in today's world is Israel. Israel just expects us to fight for it.
Not even sure where to begin with this retarded comment > but what has the US against Iran if not for Israel? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_United_States_embassy_bom... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing https://www.rt.com/news/266812-iran-arms-taliban-isis/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/war-zones/weapons-prove... > Israel just expe…
> Not even sure where to begin with this retarded comment
Creating a throwaway account so you can break HN's rules with impunity in a politically inflammatory thread is not ok.
Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all, regardless of how strongly you feel about an issue.
"They seem to to believe that no action they take will ever be questioned or lead to any blowback" - That's not true. Like any country Israel wights the pros and cons of any decision. Some work in their favor some don't. If you think Israel doesn't taken into account the repercussions to it's actions you are gravely mistaken. I agree with you that Israel tries and succeeds in influencing US Foreign policy, why wouldn…
> Why is Israel being criticized of this when any other country including the UK, France, Germany, Iran, Egypt are doing the same? Because Israel could not do five percent of the things they are doing without the massive amount of military and financial welfare and protection they receive from the USA. The other countries you list do not have that luxury to nearly the same extent.
That's just not true. Israel's annual budget is $88 billion. Even if American aid was just tossed in with no strings attached, as opposed to all the indirect-subsidy-for-American-defense-corporations requirements, it's around five and a half percent of that amount.
Not even sure where to begin with this retarded comment > but what has the US against Iran if not for Israel? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_United_States_embassy_bom... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing https://www.rt.com/news/266812-iran-arms-taliban-isis/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/war-zones/weapons-prove... > Israel just expe…
> Not even sure where to begin with this retarded comment Creating a throwaway account so you can break HN's rules with impunity in a politically inflammatory thread is not ok. Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all, regardless of how strongly you feel about an issue.
The comment is this close to being constructive, too. Drop a couple of the words that your keyboard makes loud noises when you type and it'd be fine.
>> The deadly virus >> “changed the code” (the scare quotes bit) >> to invent a “vaccine” >> the secret formula... fell into the hands of Russia and Iran >> increasingly stronger versions of the virus >> the most deadly version of the virus Is anyone else not wild about the manner in which "cyber" articles get written? I feel like non-technical readers are left mildly concerned that they're going to come down with a…
MOst of the quotes made sense to me: >> “changed the code” (the scare quotes bit) Might not be scare quotes but a direct quotation >> to invent a “vaccine” This is pretty obvious - an antivirus >> the secret formula... fell into the hands of Russia and Iran They got a way to get the virus' signature, as well as copies to reverse-engineer >> increasingly stronger versions of the virus >> the most deadly version of the…
With the exception of me missing that they were not scare quotes but rather direct quotes, I understood all of the referenced text. I just wanted to point out that the way it is written is not the best way to help inform the general public about cybersabotage and espionage campaigns. While using such language directed towards an expert crowd for giggles doesn't do any harm it contributes to the general atmosphere of panic to tell a general audience that Russia and Iran now have "the secret formula for the most deadly version of the virus". My parents don't know for sure that that virus won't kill you, computers are very scary for them, they might think stuxnet is in their car trying to kill them now.
what confuses me about the US-Israeli relationship is that the most of the times they work well but at times one is always sabatoging each other in a manner that makes you reconsider, is Israel and enemy or a friend to the United States? I don't think Japan would pull off shit like this. It's like there's a four tier system to what defines a US Ally. Platinum - Gets you exclusive access to black funds & latest weapon…
I think you misunderstand the relationship. One, there are civilians, extremely rich civilians who are sending more than a pretty penny to Israel. Two, the US government is essentially bribing the Israel government to stay put and not kill everyone around them. I believe most people vastly underestimate the military might of Israel. Did you know, for example, that Israel has unmanned ground vehicles https://en.wikipe…
I believe most people vastly underestimate the military might of Israel.
Certainly Israel has been very formidable against weak armies such as those of Egypt. However, I don't think Israel's brief 2006 war against Hezbollah went all that well. Very little achieved at considerable cost.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War
My impression was that the average Israeli soldier involved was like: "fuck this, what the fuck am I fighting for?" Shades of Vietnam!
The Israeli army of 2016 is not at all the same as the armies that fought in 1967 and 1973. But I'm not very knowledgeable about this stuff, so I'd welcome corrections.
There are not any because the masters delete them. And "any" means any comment that is critical against Israel and is immediately flagged as "anti-semitic" by the watchdogs/lapdogs. What a discrace.
Comments critical of Israel are one thing (plenty of those in this thread), anti-semitic slurs are another. This is hardly a hard call. Also the 'masters' here are the users flagging the latter, quite rightly.
So I guess when you say that Israel occupies territories illegally according to UN while exercising extreme force prohibiting Palestians of their right to live, is considered an "anti-semitic" comment. No, you can't stand criticism while your being full of smugness and self-righteousness. Am I being antisemitic when I say that 25% of the Israel defence budget is paid by the Americans?. Do you follow Congress rulings that support that fact? Why should there be homeless americans when there is so much money used to support Israel?. Who decides that? You do? You and the other people flagging me because you do not want the truth to be told.
It's sad how quickly a comment section on a story about Israel fills up with conspiracy theories about perfidous Zionists owning the US government, even on a normally more rational place like HN. It feels like this is the Guardian or something. Maybe we need to take a hard look at ourselves here.