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Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

#31
Remember that while Israel is a first world country, it's tiny. It's population is 8.4 million, 1/40th of the U.S. and about the size of New York City proper (not suburban, which is ~20 million). Probably the Israeli government does not have the same level of talent and other resources that the U.S. government does. Imagine if the NSA was staffed only with residents of NYC, for example.

(However, 3 of 8 US Supreme Court Justices are from NYC, and Alito and Scalia are/were from NJ.)

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

#32
[in response to the anti Jew comments below]:

This is just bad.

Trust me I have @dang all over me when I make poor/emotional comments, but this is just ignorant.

Nobody cares that the Israelis are Jews, we care when they (and any other homo Sapiens) act like assholes.

So this is not a Jewish issue, per se, it's an asshole issue, let's be clear about that.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alliances are about geopolitics as much as how much we like countries' behaviour. Israel is an invaluable intelligence partner in the War on Terror and a natural ally against Iran. They're also the closest thing to a liberal democracy in the Middle East. As long as the US continues to gain more from its alliance with Israel than it loses, the alliance will endure. No matter how much individual leaders may loathe each…

'War on Terror' - I like how you have capitalised this, I hope you don't actually believe it though?

You would capitalize Apple to refer to the company, even though it has nothing to do with fruit. In the same way, the War on Terror isn't necessarily an actual war on terror/terrorism.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

#34

what confuses me about the US-Israeli relationship is that the most of the times they work well but at times one is always sabatoging each other in a manner that makes you reconsider, is Israel and enemy or a friend to the United States? I don't think Japan would pull off shit like this. It's like there's a four tier system to what defines a US Ally. Platinum - Gets you exclusive access to black funds & latest weapon…

> aids

The word you're looking for is aid. People die of aids.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

#35
post #10

what confuses me about the US-Israeli relationship is that the most of the times they work well but at times one is always sabatoging each other in a manner that makes you reconsider, is Israel and enemy or a friend to the United States? I don't think Japan would pull off shit like this. It's like there's a four tier system to what defines a US Ally. Platinum - Gets you exclusive access to black funds & latest weapon…

America has interests and not friends. Israelis understand this. Similarly Israel has interests and not friends. They are interested in protecting their own interests. Even if it costs Americans for them to do so. So you can basically say Israelis learned how to play these games from Americans.

But Israelis have bought our corruptible political system to the point where all our politicians fight each other to prove who is more of a "friend" to Israel. If the US where acting in its real best interest it would keep Israel at much more of an arm's length. In a way Israel is much more of a dangerous enemy to American democracy than Iran, Russia, China or any other country.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

#36
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the crazy thing is the other country doesn't even have to behave well or keep up its end of the bargain to maintain top-level status.

Alliances are about geopolitics as much as how much we like countries' behaviour. Israel is an invaluable intelligence partner in the War on Terror and a natural ally against Iran. They're also the closest thing to a liberal democracy in the Middle East. As long as the US continues to gain more from its alliance with Israel than it loses, the alliance will endure. No matter how much individual leaders may loathe each…

Not sure how this is true. What do you mean by "ally against Iran"? The US is Israel's ally against Iran, but what has the US against Iran if not for Israel? The entire point of contention between Iran and the US in today's world is Israel. Israel just expects us to fight for it.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

#37
post #10

what confuses me about the US-Israeli relationship is that the most of the times they work well but at times one is always sabatoging each other in a manner that makes you reconsider, is Israel and enemy or a friend to the United States? I don't think Japan would pull off shit like this. It's like there's a four tier system to what defines a US Ally. Platinum - Gets you exclusive access to black funds & latest weapon…

America has interests and not friends. Israelis understand this. Similarly Israel has interests and not friends. They are interested in protecting their own interests. Even if it costs Americans for them to do so. So you can basically say Israelis learned how to play these games from Americans.

>> America has interests and not friends

If only we acted that way. Our levels of support to Israel are disproportionate to the benefits we receive. For better or for worse we would in no way tolerate the Israeli level of diplomatic and political sabotage without such a strong pro-Israeli lobby. If it's a moral imperative, then fine, but I've never heard a convincing description of what we're actually getting from the Israelis to justify the rest of the relationship. Just "having a democracy in the Middle East" is not itself useful, especially when literally everyone in the neighborhood wants to kill them. If it weren't for the pro-Israeli lobby they'd be getting the Ukraine treatment, strong words of support, but otherwise they'd be on their own.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

#38

[in response to the anti Jew comments below]: This is just bad. Trust me I have @dang all over me when I make poor/emotional comments, but this is just ignorant. Nobody cares that the Israelis are Jews, we care when they (and any other homo Sapiens) act like assholes. So this is not a Jewish issue, per se, it's an asshole issue, let's be clear about that.

What anti-Jew comments? There aren't any.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

#39

[in response to the anti Jew comments below]: This is just bad. Trust me I have @dang all over me when I make poor/emotional comments, but this is just ignorant. Nobody cares that the Israelis are Jews, we care when they (and any other homo Sapiens) act like assholes. So this is not a Jewish issue, per se, it's an asshole issue, let's be clear about that.

What anti-Jew comments? There aren't any.

They are getting flagged and deleted, comments by user @is_this_tinder for example...

You need to likely turn on "see dead links" in your profile to see them.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

#40

[in response to the anti Jew comments below]: This is just bad. Trust me I have @dang all over me when I make poor/emotional comments, but this is just ignorant. Nobody cares that the Israelis are Jews, we care when they (and any other homo Sapiens) act like assholes. So this is not a Jewish issue, per se, it's an asshole issue, let's be clear about that.

What anti-Jew comments? There aren't any.

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