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Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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It was incredibly well-written. Much respect to her. You can tell that she is the kind of person that demands action and hates any kind of BS. Very business like. This is also why you should always write emails assuming they're public record. Because one day... They just might be!

It was quite 'over-written', if that's even a term. The sentences were very dense with long compound sentences. Maybe I'm just stupid, but I feel like it's a failure on her part to drown the reader in text with a low readability score that isn't even jargon.

In fairness to her, her preamble explicitly stated that it was written hastily and without revision, and she did explicitly ask that, if it was to be shared, her name not be attached to it.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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That seems somewhat worse, they used private email on servers they did not control?

A rare lapse in following procedure, likely accidental, is not even on the same planet as setting up a private email server to avoid oversight. Those emails would still be safer on gmail than in some small IT firm's bathroom closet.

But not in AOL servers, or yahoo. Private servers can be set up pretty freaking well for security. Not sure how hers were setup though.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Strongly disagree. Petraeus was far worse; he intentionally and knowingly gave classified information to someone not authorized to see it. He pled guilty. It's unclear (IMHO unlikely) that Hillary did anything illegal. She has not been charged with a crime. She has not, so far as we know, been investigated for any crime. And there's no evidence any classified information was leaked, intentionally or not.

Broadwell had a TS clearance and was a reserve military intelligence officer, so....no.

> "court papers filed with the plea deal stated Petraeus in 2011 unlawfully gave Broadwell the black books of classified information including identities of covert officers, code word information, war strategy, intelligence capabilities, diplomatic talks and information from high-level White House National Security Council meetings."

> "Petraeus then lied to the FBI about it, the court papers said."

source: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/former-cia-director-petr...

Clinton choosing to use a private email server was a big mistake, but Petraeus' actions are MUCH worse. Not even in the same category. He's lucky he did not end up in jail.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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The late Michael Hastings' The Operators was a good read if you find the sausage making process interesting. He has a strong viewpoint, but stories of Gen McChrystal throwing out ISAF functionaries from plush offices and closing officer bars at the Kabul ISAF headquarters were fairly humorous. There were overriding politics between superiors, but the irony is that McChrystal, any infeasible strategy aside, got thrown…

> McChrystal ... got thrown out for showing distain for the same wasteful, corrupt system that everyone else gripes about. OT: IIRC he resigned after he and his staff openly mocked to a journalist the President, VP and others in the chain of command, and their comments were published in Rolling Stone. That's not an effort to end corruption, it's insubordination, apparently widespread in his staff under his leadership…

From the article (which is partially reproduced and fleshed out with additional chapters in the book) a lot of the mocking seemed to concern involvement:

"Their first one-on-one meeting took place in the Oval Office four months later, after McChrystal got the Afghanistan job, and it didn't go much better. 'It was a 10-minute photo op,' says an adviser to McChrystal. 'Obama clearly didn't know anything about him, who he was. Here's the guy who's going to run his fucking war, but he didn't seem very engaged. The Boss [McChrystal] was pretty disappointed.'"

And for what it's worth, when you're dealing with things like this:

"In February, the day before the doomed offensive in Marja, McChrystal even drove over to the president's palace to get him to sign off on what would be the largest military operation of the year. Karzai's staff, however, insisted that the president was sleeping off a cold and could not be disturbed. After several hours of haggling, McChrystal finally enlisted the aid of Afghanistan's defense minister, who persuaded Karzai's people to wake the president from his nap."

Then I'd probably be in a less than charitable mood concerning the entire enterprise. To repeat, they had to argue with the staff of the president of the country whose insurgency we were fighting that being involved in starting a long-planned and massive offensive was more important than a nap. (And that's not getting into the comments about drug use)

Biden was exactly right, the entire thing was a cluster%^@# and a terrible idea to invest more in. But in the absence of a resolute US president who tells the military "No, you can't send in more troops"? Well, the military's going to do what it does: fight. And press for more fighting.

PS: The amount of backstabbing between different military cliques, Congress, different cliques in the State Department, and the Executive staff was also mind boggling.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

#116
I don't get it. She used a personal account for official business. That's against policy, I get that part. But why are we punishing her by releasing all of those e-mails to the general public? That sounds like a very unorthodox punishment.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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It's fun to search for "Syria" then go the second last page and read a curious e-mail from Sept. 2009 about "the first known case of a successful social media campaign in Syria".. Then a few pages later, June 2010 - "Bay Area execs seek to open doors with Syria" about a trip that Hillary's staff took part in including the infamous Jared Cohen whom Julian Assange talked about in one of his rants (https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/).

One could weave a compelling conspiracy theory if one were so inclined.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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post #116

I don't get it. She used a personal account for official business. That's against policy, I get that part. But why are we punishing her by releasing all of those e-mails to the general public? That sounds like a very unorthodox punishment.

It's the result of Freedom of Information Act requests. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controve...

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

#119

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A rare lapse in following procedure, likely accidental, is not even on the same planet as setting up a private email server to avoid oversight. Those emails would still be safer on gmail than in some small IT firm's bathroom closet.

But not in AOL servers, or yahoo. Private servers can be set up pretty freaking well for security. Not sure how hers were setup though.

The extremely low physical security of Hillary's server probably outweighs all of this.

It was just sitting in an office. A single person could have literally kicked in the door and waltzed off with a huge cache of state secrets, and we probably wouldn't even have a video tape of the theft.

The server was not secure enough to be storing state secrets. There's no arguing against this.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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post #114

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Broadwell had a TS clearance and was a reserve military intelligence officer, so....no.

> " court papers filed with the plea deal stated Petraeus in 2011 unlawfully gave Broadwell the black books of classified information including identities of covert officers, code word information, war strategy, intelligence capabilities, diplomatic talks and information from high-level White House National Security Council meetings. " > " Petraeus then lied to the FBI about it, the court papers said. " source: http:…

> Clinton choosing to use a private email server was a big mistake, but Petraeus' actions are MUCH worse. Not even in the same category.

Always great to hear from people who know how open investigations will be resolved.

To be clear: HRC is accused not only of conducting official business in a manner that was completely unauthorized from an infosec perspective and in direct violation of both IC standards and a Presidential Executive Order; she also apparently ordered a subordinate who needed to send her classified materials to "turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure" [0]. To me this sounds like her giving a direct order to mishandle classified information.

It sounds like you're on Team Hillary and that's fine, we all have our political opinions. I do not think that your characterization of Petraeus' actions as "MUCH worse" than HRC's is accurate, either in terms of a reasonable-person evaluation of the severity of each respective (alleged in HRC's case) infraction or in terms of how the IC punishes these kinds of transgressions. They are normally merciless when it comes to people intentionally violating the integrity of classified information systems. Merciless.

[0]: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/state-department-releases-more-c...

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