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Elixir is promising. http://elixir-lang.org/
And really enjoyable... That's what really counts right?
And yes, it's quite fun (and mind-bending at the same time, in a good way).
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Julia is not even at 1.0 yet, and will be full of holes until at least then. It's still a wonderful language for technical/scientific computing, but you don't want it to be your only language if you have to make diverse real things.
Couldn't have said it better myself. That's almost the complete opposite of Python, which has the ugliness of real world use (eg, 2.7 vs 3), but also has those thousands or real world hardened packages.
I'm pretty sure that this is an uncontroversial view so I'm a little surprised, especially since I work in this field.
Enlighten me, Julia fans?
I, for one, look forward to the day I have Python in my frontend. Browser support for ! Viva la revolution! I would need so much less migraine medicine that the pharma industry would lobby against it.
eg: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms974552.aspx
http://www.icodeguru.com/WebServer/Python-Programming-on-Win...
Apparently Perl tended to work better than Python though due to not being as picky about whitespace in an HTML script element :)
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Clojure and Scala have gotten close as well. I've seen Scala in use at scale at both universities and corporations. Clojure is being used in production by at least a few well known companies, too. Both have the primary benefit of being backed by the JVM.
Scala seems to have some momentum. I've wondered if the companies that have adopted it are using it like jvm haskell or a just a better java?
Pip is just OK. It feels like it's missing something. Could be a simple lack of experience still. I haven't found anything like Gaurd yet and yet to find a replacement for rack and NPM 's simple package.json. There is setup.py but it feels harder and wrapped in mystery still and doesn't work universally the same for Python 2 and 3 which I have been causing some road blocks and extra cycles being wasted.
Most of all I hate the backward compatibility issues of Python 2 to 3. I rarely have issues running older Ruby or Java code in newer versions of the language. It seems ridiculous that it's been a little over 7 years and people are still fighting with issues between Python 2 and 3 and you still need to pick a version to use. Sure you can code around it, but why the interpreter doesn't handle backward compatibility with deprecation statements is just amazing to me. This isn't a new thing. Languages like Java and Ruby do it as do plenty of others I'm sure if you wanted to make a syntax change you can handle the code in the interpreter and issue warnings to uograde them without breaking all old code bases.
But any ways, I digress, I don't think Python is going anywhere. Too many people and companies use it. It's got a lot of good libraries and and if you just start with Python 3 it's language is just like any other programming language. It's got some things you have to get used to that are unique to it but in the end, you can make it do what you need.
I personally think Ruby allows for nicer looking code and readability, and NodeJS has a far better Eco system. Hell, Languages like Elixir feel like a nice mixture of both with the huge added benefits of being highly parallel at the VM layer.
PyPy seems like a better place to invest resources since the JIT can really speed things up.
That's my 2 cents.
That may be a view through the distorted HN lenses. Spend some time on Lambda the Ultimate and you'll think imperative programming is dying. Go is new and has lots of issues. It's annoying on many fronts and badly needs improvements in packaging area. It's good for some things and worse for others. JS is for frontend, because it's the only supported language. (although there are python-to-js compilers available if yo…
My prediction is that one day some alternative Python interpreter (Stackless, or GIL-less, or which compiles ahead of time to machine code, or something like that) will go from being merely an interesting concept to a dominant runtime. Python is such an excellent language, and it only has a small handful of elements holding it back from being even better. I feel like eventually something has to give, and either there…
And yes, I'm talking broadly about the rise of FP.
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Be aware that PyPI isn't a great way to get accurate statistics. One of the reasons is when tox tests via a matrix, Python 2.7 is usually the first python listed, and if it fails then Python > 3 will not be tested. Also, it'll reuse libraries from the pip download cache. I don't doubt that python 2.7 accounts for the majority of the downloads, but I sincerely doubt 2.7 usage is at ~85%. 2.6 usage is probably almost e…
Be aware that PyPI isn't a great way to get accurate statistics. You can't just ignore a bunch of statistics because they aren't convenient to you; that's not how maths works. Statistical sampling is based on the premise that your sample is randomized from the total population; I would argue that the stats from pypi represent a reasonable random sample of python users around the world. Certainly, you can argue otherw…
There are no good stats that give an accurate representation about usage % of each python version. PyPI is the only proxy we have, and that is skewed by a number of factors (two of which I mentioned). The overall trend is probably accurate, but exact percentages certainly are not.
My like or dislike for python 2 or 3 has nothing to do with my comment upthread. I was simply stating a number of facts about the data that people can take or leave as they like. It was not "convenient" for me to share those facts. I simply thought people might want to be aware that there's nothing scientific about the aggregated percentages.