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For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Post by nibs »

goodJobWalrus wrote: post #51
belorn wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people intuitively understand that a person with 25 points lower IQ than the average population is going to have unique problems and go through life in a slightly different path and order than the average. However, for some reason, this is not easily understood regarding people with 25 points over the average. It's also a pattern on HN because it really is a rather new concept. In Sweden, the law that dictates t…

> However, for some reason, this is not easily understood regarding people with 25 points over the average. I'm not sure how accurate this is. All the exceptionally talented kids/young people I knew growing up were nice and well-liked, well-adjusted people. All the weird kids I knew were just weird, not really especially talented. I'd like to see the numbers behind those anecdotes. There was recently an article here…

I read somewhere (and after 30 minutes of searching, can't find the original source but will keep trying) that at IQ 130, the correlation between parental IQ and child IQ was pretty high (ie. the mean parental IQ was ~127). But for kids at IQ 160, the mean parental IQ was only slightly above average (I think it was ~102). This suggests that there is a mass of upper-middle class professionals who have similar children, but that true genius (as measured by IQ) is rare and unusual, and usually more of a burden than a gift, given the lack of a suitable environment around that individual. So the success-comes-easily IQ 130 cohort are actually not the geniuses people laud them for being, and the IQ 160 cohort is probably just deeply misunderstood and comes from a (relatively) darker, more normal childhood.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Post by dang »

draugadrotten wrote: post #129

> The vibe I'm getting from Sweden (I lived there for a while, learned the language and still follow the news), is that it's moving to a more and more class-segregated country. Sure, everybody can look for the best school for their children, but only parents from higher socioeconomic classes will do that. Hear, hear. The school system decline is also a political "hot potato" because of the connection to increasing im…

Internecine Swedish politics are becoming their own circle of hell on Hacker News.

> Asbestos suit ready. Flame on.

Please don't. I don't just mean talking blithely about flamewars, but conducting them at all.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11087694 and marked it off-topic.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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clentaminator wrote: post #12

Ah yes, the monthly link to an article about intelligent/gifted children and the troubles their talents cause them, leading to all the self-proclaimed gifted HNers coming out of the woodwork declaiming "Me too! Me too! Finally someone who understands me!". Not dismissing the article itself, but it's definitely a pattern on HN.

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Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Post by willurd »

clentaminator wrote: post #12

Ah yes, the monthly link to an article about intelligent/gifted children and the troubles their talents cause them, leading to all the self-proclaimed gifted HNers coming out of the woodwork declaiming "Me too! Me too! Finally someone who understands me!". Not dismissing the article itself, but it's definitely a pattern on HN.

Way to ignore the article completely and dismiss an entire class of people in one sentence. Bravo.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Post by throwaway_65537 »

throwaway_65536 wrote: post #146
jokoon wrote: post #79

I don't know if I'm gifted (I score 125 at some IQ test on abstraction when applying at a company, but still IQ is not always a correct to measure intelligence, so take this with a grain of salt), but my psychiatrist tells me I'm intelligent (he might say this to agree with me, maybe he doesn't think so and it's for another goal). Yet I'm unemployed, 30 year old, and can't manage to get hired or to do work that is gi…

I'm in similar situation. I finished MA and never really had to work hard for anything. Had IQ at around 130. Probably less now cause I had not done anything challenging for decade. I hate my job, have no achievments whatosever and I balance on doing bare minimum not to get fired. Changed job 4 times and it's definitely me. That's despite the fact that I was always going to be a programmer since I was 10, and I loved…

Maybe you would find "The Game" by N. Strauss useful.

Don't get too distracted by their "evolutionary science" which is 80% bullcrap, don't get too excited by their "tricks" which are straight way to maneuver yourself into position where you'll be constantly forced to lie and feel like shit for doing so. Just read their story.

Let's say that it opened my mind to what kinds of insanity people do in the name of something they want to be love. I used to be badly afraid of ending in a bad relationship, but since reading this I started to notice more and more of low-level mechanics underlying such relationships and my fear of women is slowly subsiding.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Post by da1 »

andrelaszlo wrote: post #28
da1 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything that relates to outlier characteristics will disproportionately affect more boys than girls. The more extreme the outlier the much more likely it will be a boy. This is just basic human biology that like the GP mentioned is routinely deliberately ignored by feminism.

Are you referring to these Bell curves? :P http://www.slideshare.net/terriko/how-does-biology-explain-t...

Not one mention of variance in that presentation.

The author is either ignorant or just dishonest.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Post by scotty79 »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #138
scotty79 wrote: post #60

I think that there's plenty of intelligent kids who are able to devote part of their intelligence to noticing the whole lord of the flies going around and figuring that it's better to not raise you hand when teacher asks question (because answering it won't give you anything (besides grade which is useless) and can paint crosshair on your back) and figuring that it's better to be useful to reasonable group so you can…

>I think that there's plenty of intelligent kids who are able to devote part of their intelligence to noticing the whole lord of the flies going around and figuring that it's better to not raise you hand when teacher asks question I think these come from different sorts of intelligence. You can be intelligent in regards to knowing the right answer but be stupid in regards to knowing that you shouldn't be a know-it-al…

I know that people say that there are various kinds of intelligence because you can get varying performance when you measure it for various activities.

But IQ correlates with widest range of performance measurements of various activities. There is a strong variability but IMHO it's just because you perform best in things that interest you. So even very intelligent person won't perform better than average person in activity s/he's vastly less interested in than average person.

My hypothesis is that being socially maladjusted is no more prevalent in gifted kids than it is in average kids. You could disprove it by showing that for example that bullied kids IQ profile is shifted toward higher values. I'm not aware of such studies but I think it won't be the case.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Post by qb45 »

dang wrote: post #172
draugadrotten wrote: post #129

> The vibe I'm getting from Sweden (I lived there for a while, learned the language and still follow the news), is that it's moving to a more and more class-segregated country. Sure, everybody can look for the best school for their children, but only parents from higher socioeconomic classes will do that. Hear, hear. The school system decline is also a political "hot potato" because of the connection to increasing im…

Internecine Swedish politics are becoming their own circle of hell on Hacker News. > Asbestos suit ready. Flame on. Please don't. I don't just mean talking blithely about flamewars, but conducting them at all. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11087694 and marked it off-topic.

I see GP's allusions to flamewars more as rhetorical figures than actual invitation to flaming.

But whatever, you are the boss :)

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