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For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Ah yes, the monthly link to an article about intelligent/gifted children and the troubles their talents cause them, leading to all the self-proclaimed gifted HNers coming out of the woodwork declaiming "Me too! Me too! Finally someone who understands me!". Not dismissing the article itself, but it's definitely a pattern on HN.

HN responses are predictable on many verticals. Upvoting happens for:

1. YC unicorns.

2. Obscure programming language news.

3. Medium/Natilius posts on self-improvement.

4. NYTimes/WSJ/WashPost articles on obvious trends in business or STEM.

5. SV "celebrity" projects.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

#72

Ah yes, the monthly link to an article about intelligent/gifted children and the troubles their talents cause them, leading to all the self-proclaimed gifted HNers coming out of the woodwork declaiming "Me too! Me too! Finally someone who understands me!". Not dismissing the article itself, but it's definitely a pattern on HN.

There are two reasons for this.

1) Programming attract this sort of people in first place, where you see programmers, you will see lots of people like the ones described in the article.

2) It is very problematic, unfixed, and people need help.

At least I do... but at the same time I refrain from asking for help, because usually the result is negative. "Oh, here we go again with the super intelligent guy complaining about how intelligent he is."

Not only for "gifted", but many mental issues are looked down, and are not considered by society a disease like a physical one, a person that is sneezing everywhere, get people to pity that person and help, but a person that is unable to work in society even with heavy meds, need to "grow and mature".

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

#73

Ah yes, the monthly link to an article about intelligent/gifted children and the troubles their talents cause them, leading to all the self-proclaimed gifted HNers coming out of the woodwork declaiming "Me too! Me too! Finally someone who understands me!". Not dismissing the article itself, but it's definitely a pattern on HN.

Barnum effect in action?

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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post #72

Ah yes, the monthly link to an article about intelligent/gifted children and the troubles their talents cause them, leading to all the self-proclaimed gifted HNers coming out of the woodwork declaiming "Me too! Me too! Finally someone who understands me!". Not dismissing the article itself, but it's definitely a pattern on HN.

There are two reasons for this. 1) Programming attract this sort of people in first place, where you see programmers, you will see lots of people like the ones described in the article. 2) It is very problematic, unfixed, and people need help. At least I do... but at the same time I refrain from asking for help, because usually the result is negative. "Oh, here we go again with the super intelligent guy complaining a…

About twice a week I wish I was dumber for some reason or another.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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post #47

Ah yes, the monthly link to an article about intelligent/gifted children and the troubles their talents cause them, leading to all the self-proclaimed gifted HNers coming out of the woodwork declaiming "Me too! Me too! Finally someone who understands me!". Not dismissing the article itself, but it's definitely a pattern on HN.

Most people intuitively understand that a person with 25 points lower IQ than the average population is going to have unique problems and go through life in a slightly different path and order than the average. However, for some reason, this is not easily understood regarding people with 25 points over the average. It's also a pattern on HN because it really is a rather new concept. In Sweden, the law that dictates t…

> However, for some reason, this is not easily understood regarding people with 25 points over the average.

Because most people of above-average intelligence go through life on the normal path, they just do it faster or better.

Life is certainly going to be more difficult, more dangerous, and probably less fulfilling for someone with an IQ of 85 than it will be for someone with an IQ of 110 or 135.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

#76

Ah yes, the monthly link to an article about intelligent/gifted children and the troubles their talents cause them, leading to all the self-proclaimed gifted HNers coming out of the woodwork declaiming "Me too! Me too! Finally someone who understands me!". Not dismissing the article itself, but it's definitely a pattern on HN.

And I presume you know these 'gifted HNers' well enough to know they are self-proclaimed? Trust me, having an IQ 50% higher than the average of the rest of the population isn't fun. And though IQ is generally all that is needed to be considered 'gifted,'it isn't everything. There have been many studies on this. I am not self proclaimed, I have the tests to prove it and I get sick of people telling me how smart I am a…

If you have a diagnosed disorder, you should take medication for it unless your physician suggests otherwise.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

#77

Ah yes, the monthly link to an article about intelligent/gifted children and the troubles their talents cause them, leading to all the self-proclaimed gifted HNers coming out of the woodwork declaiming "Me too! Me too! Finally someone who understands me!". Not dismissing the article itself, but it's definitely a pattern on HN.

HN responses are predictable on many verticals. Upvoting happens for: 1. YC unicorns. 2. Obscure programming language news. 3. Medium/Natilius posts on self-improvement. 4. NYTimes/WSJ/WashPost articles on obvious trends in business or STEM. 5. SV "celebrity" projects.

Yes. Isn't that what makes it Hacker News? If we didn't have a specific set of interests it would just be another news site.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are looking for this New York Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/opinion/sunday/how-to-rais...

No, it was a different one, discussed actual people who were in the news as being child prodigies, entered universities years early etc...but from what I remember their conclusion was the something like this, that those kids didn't learn to risk or learn to be creative, they were really just jumping through hoops. edit: or it could be, not sure any more...

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Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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I don't know if I'm gifted (I score 125 at some IQ test on abstraction when applying at a company, but still IQ is not always a correct to measure intelligence, so take this with a grain of salt), but my psychiatrist tells me I'm intelligent (he might say this to agree with me, maybe he doesn't think so and it's for another goal).

Yet I'm unemployed, 30 year old, and can't manage to get hired or to do work that is given to me. I don't want to tell people I'm just a special snowflake or something of that matter (since many people easily come down on you for it when they can), but I always hated school because I felt it was formatting me, and not stimulating me. I recently went into some school program for web programming, I hated it and failed it, yet I was considered to know things already.

I'm a little tired of people telling me it's a personality problem, to be frank.

In my view, school is not meritocratic, because its aim is to be efficient and teach important basics to the most people, which politically is a good thing. But is it for everyone? No, and people who are intelligent and care about what the learn actually have more chances to fail, simply because learning program are tailored to be taught easily.

I remember meeting a jury for some project at this school program, and they were pretty judgmental towards my behavior or my opinions when they were asking me specific questions about me.

I think Good Will Hunting precisely describes this problem. Society doesn't know how to pull people up according to their capabilities, because not everything is known about psychology, but also because society often tends to perpetuates its error because of social models which are built on belief.

I think there is no real opportunities for people who might have better capabilities than other. Maybe it should be treated as a handicap or special need, but it's true that politically it's hard to explain such thing when there already is a debate about inequality.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two reasons for this. 1) Programming attract this sort of people in first place, where you see programmers, you will see lots of people like the ones described in the article. 2) It is very problematic, unfixed, and people need help. At least I do... but at the same time I refrain from asking for help, because usually the result is negative. "Oh, here we go again with the super intelligent guy complaining a…

About twice a week I wish I was dumber for some reason or another.

Yes, ignorance is bliss. And "less intelligent" people can't help but be ignorant. I often envy their obliviousness.

Even if the whole group is wrong, they all agree with one another and fit in together. Those of us who understand have to choose to either be wrong to fit in or be right and be cast out. Either choice is painful.

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