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Without affordable housing, Vancouver risks becoming an economic ghost town

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Re: Without affordable housing, Vancouver risks becoming an economic ghost town

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I've lived in Boston, DC, NYC and London for extended periods of time, and spent a stint in Berlin. It's tech scene is awesome - if you find the right group of people it feels like CCC year round. It's art, music and food scene was an amazing value for the money when I was there circa 2011. I'm guessing the equivalent of their hipsters got wise to it and drove up prices a la the gentrification you saw (compare the be…

CCC?

Chaos Computer Club - Europe's largest association of hackers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Computer_Club)

Re: Without affordable housing, Vancouver risks becoming an economic ghost town

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Wouldn't it discourage long-time owners from selling, thereby limiting supply and raising prices?

In theory, yes. In practice, if you own a currently 4+ million dollar home built in the 50's, you are paying at least 15-20k on it anyway. Here's an example currently for sale: https://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Altos-Hills/27446-Black-Mounta... They are paying 18.2k. If it was reassessed today, they'd be paying 40-45k. If they do what most people who have lived in a home forever do, and are downsizing to something smalle…

well that house was sold again 1990 so the taxable value was reassessed.

Re: Without affordable housing, Vancouver risks becoming an economic ghost town

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Wouldn't it discourage long-time owners from selling, thereby limiting supply and raising prices?

In theory, yes. In practice, if you own a currently 4+ million dollar home built in the 50's, you are paying at least 15-20k on it anyway. Here's an example currently for sale: https://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Altos-Hills/27446-Black-Mounta... They are paying 18.2k. If it was reassessed today, they'd be paying 40-45k. If they do what most people who have lived in a home forever do, and are downsizing to something smalle…

This house changed hands in 1990 for $1M where it got reassessed - otherwise they would be paying 2-3k max if purchased and held since 1978.

Re: Without affordable housing, Vancouver risks becoming an economic ghost town

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Meh... article is pushed by special interest groups. Their concerns could be addressed very quickly by raising their employees salaries. Especially since vast majority of companies sell services to the US, and get more CADs than before with the current exchange rate.

The Vancouver economy is not 100% tech, there are many, many businesses (logistics, banking, retail, etc.) that have no exports to the US. Can I ask where you are getting your data?

Thats true, but did you read the article though? It addresses tech industry in several paragraphs at the very beginning. The older tech industries might be CAD-orientied, but any new startup aspires to be global and charges in USD.

Re: Without affordable housing, Vancouver risks becoming an economic ghost town

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It seems like many major cities of the world are experiencing this problem, and no city has been able to come up with a good solution. It always leads to displacement and newspaper articles about displacement, but no real solutions. Here are a couple of solutions: 1. Build really tall. Hasn't worked out all that great in Hong Kong, though. 2. Rent control. This is often unfair and inflates price of non-rent controlle…

Whenever I look at hong kong on google earth, I see a lot of empty green space that tall buildings could be built on. I also see an area in the north that isn't really dense, large open sports areas and green areas on the south island. HK the territory seems to be much larger than HK the city and it smells suspicious that prices are high but land is not being used. And don't say, we need parks! I'm fairly certain tha…

>And don't say, we need parks! I'm fairly certain that large amounts of that parkland is unused because you need to hike in pretty deep to enjoy it.

So we should monitor how far people hike into these parks? And if the number of people in a remote part of a city park falls below X number of people a day for Y days we should just bulldoze that part of the park for buildings?

Re: Without affordable housing, Vancouver risks becoming an economic ghost town

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Problem is salary in Montreal are ridiculously low, and taxes in Quebec are higher than Ontario/British Colombia. Higher taxes should come with the benefit of more services: the health system is clogged and for non-french speaking families, the education system isn't the most friendly.

Indeed. I love Montreal but the health care system in Quebec is absolutely ridiculous. It's not unusual to wait 12-15 hours at the ER. In Vancouver, without an appointment, you have to wait about 10 minutes to see a competent doctor.

Actually it is. Unless you are the kind of person to go to the ER for having sneezed once in the last 24 hours...

Re: Without affordable housing, Vancouver risks becoming an economic ghost town

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Ding ding ding. We have a winner. While I've never ever considered moving to Vancouver, I get recruiter emails several times a month for companies in Vancouver looking for Senior programmers to move there and only offering 80k to 110k CAD at the most. That is not nearly enough money to live in Vancouver. Enough to exist but not enough to live. The problem as I understand it is that a ton of Vancouver's housing is occ…

I know a company that pays fresh-grad $70k-$75k base salary with 10-15% bonus almost guaranteed base on company performance (there's a calculation behind it but the bonus amount is part of your package). Microsoft, Amazon, starting salary was 85-90k to 100k+ 2-3 years ago for 2 years - 5/7 years of experience. Salesforce Intermediate/borderline Senior SDET (SDET typically make less than SDE) starts from 100k base wit…

That's in CAD, correct? The Canadian dollar isn't doing too well, and is expected to drop to around $.50 USD by year end.

Re: Without affordable housing, Vancouver risks becoming an economic ghost town

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This article and thread hits pretty hard for me. I was born in Vancouver and I'm getting pretty worried that Canadian salaries aren't enough to live in Canadian city. To any of you living in Vancouver and working remotely, do you have any advice for getting into that?

Not a remote job per se - but my side project which pays me in USD is working out quite well since the Canadian dollar started sliding. The economics of a building small side project have improved dramatically if you can get paid in USD and live in Canada.

Re: Without affordable housing, Vancouver risks becoming an economic ghost town

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One of the main reasons of the housing crisis in the Bay Area is Prop 13 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(197... ) Prop 13 basically keeps the property taxes constant (or 1% increase) as the value of your house increases (doubles or triples). Your tax gets re-calculated only if you sell your house and the new owner starts paying potentially multiples of what the previous owner has been payin…

In Vancouver, property tax is based on calculating the cost of the provided services, then dividing the cost over all the homes based on home price and adjusted for and a few factors such as location. Every home is assessed annually, which becomes the basis for how much tax you pay. Theoretically, if the cost of providing the services were constant and all home values increased at the same rate, your property tax would never change.

Re: Without affordable housing, Vancouver risks becoming an economic ghost town

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So why do speculators choose Vancouver of all places to speculate in?

1. Now-defunct Canadian Immigrant Investor program allowed you to buy permanent resident status in Canada, thus avoiding any potential future tax discrimination against foreigners. Unlike the US Green Card, Canadian PR status is permanent, affords all the privileges of citizenship except voting, and can never be revoked, even if you join a foreign army to fight Canada. A similar incarnation of this program still exis…

You forgot that, with the exception of 2008-2013, the CAD has been and is very cheap.
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