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For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I presume you know these 'gifted HNers' well enough to know they are self-proclaimed? Trust me, having an IQ 50% higher than the average of the rest of the population isn't fun. And though IQ is generally all that is needed to be considered 'gifted,'it isn't everything. There have been many studies on this. I am not self proclaimed, I have the tests to prove it and I get sick of people telling me how smart I am a…

If you have a diagnosed disorder, you should take medication for it unless your physician suggests otherwise.

Medication for psychological issues often have severe side effects. It is understandable to not want them if the issues are manageable.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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I think that there's plenty of intelligent kids who are able to devote part of their intelligence to noticing the whole lord of the flies going around and figuring that it's better to not raise you hand when teacher asks question (because answering it won't give you anything (besides grade which is useless) and can paint crosshair on your back) and figuring that it's better to be useful to reasonable group so you can…

Yep - I wasn't "gifted" in any technical sense, just reasonably smart / good at school, at that was no picnic socially, until I figured out how to play dumb. It's a weird thing. (This was NYC school system in the early 80s. Maybe schools have gotten better?)

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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post #85

I could say a lot about the quality of education: the lack of a challenge, the boringness of the one-size-fits-all curriculum, etc. But boredom isn't that big of a deal. I made up for that by studying what I wanted to outside of school, instead of doing homework. Even with the vindictive teachers that made homework 30% of the final grade, it was still cakewalk to pass their classes without doing a single assignment.…

>Bullying mostly targets the gifted

I believe bullies target what is different. Intelligence or lack of it will make you a target in equal measure. Got a birthmark on your face? Boom, you're a target.

My kids don't go to a school that accepts bullying. I don't think bullying was seen all that different when I was at school.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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It can be the other way round. A child may strive to learn things and achieve academic success because he is deprived of normal love and unconsciously believes that when he proves himself smart and successful, people will recognize and love him. I.e. it's not that being gifted leads to suffering; it may be that these kids already suffer and just try harder to survive.

This was definitely the case in my situation. I grew up gifted AND overweight/obese at an athletics-focused public school in a Northeast US suburb. I was bullied. A lot of my thought processes were "it doesn't matter if I'm fat/how I look/how my peers treat me because at least I'm smart and someday I'll be better than them..."

So I spent my high school inside WoW, where nobody can see you, and I went to a good college and worked really hard to get an education, lost some weight there (and developed socially, somewhat), and now I'm a full-time software developer (graduated school last May). I'm realizing that (a) I'm not actually an "introvert," I just never had a chance to develop socially, and (b) the reasons that initially attracted me to software development (specifically, the ability to just "get in the zone" and escape from reality for hours and hours) are now considerably less appealing to me. I'd much rather be in a job that exposes me to some sort of social interaction beyond my manager, although perhaps the grass is always greener...

Anyway, to relate back to OP, I really, really wish someone had pulled me out of my public school and let me develop with a group of other "misfits." I eventually fell into that social group anyway, in high school (mostly artists, turns out), but the damage was done. I had a "challenge math" class in elementary school that was fun (and all the other kids I remember from that class either went to ivy leagues or ended up in software or both), but beyond accelerating our math education and offering AP courses, there was no support for giftedness in my school system.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Ah yes, the monthly link to an article about intelligent/gifted children and the troubles their talents cause them, leading to all the self-proclaimed gifted HNers coming out of the woodwork declaiming "Me too! Me too! Finally someone who understands me!". Not dismissing the article itself, but it's definitely a pattern on HN.

HN is a forum comprised primarily of extremely tech-oriented and innovative people. Are you somehow surprised that some of these would be a standard deviation or two above the norm? And heaven forbid they comment on an article with which they can relate directly, and possibly provide some insight.

But yeah... hurr, durr, braggarts, etc.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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post #72

Ah yes, the monthly link to an article about intelligent/gifted children and the troubles their talents cause them, leading to all the self-proclaimed gifted HNers coming out of the woodwork declaiming "Me too! Me too! Finally someone who understands me!". Not dismissing the article itself, but it's definitely a pattern on HN.

There are two reasons for this. 1) Programming attract this sort of people in first place, where you see programmers, you will see lots of people like the ones described in the article. 2) It is very problematic, unfixed, and people need help. At least I do... but at the same time I refrain from asking for help, because usually the result is negative. "Oh, here we go again with the super intelligent guy complaining a…

Go to a doctor and let them describe you something for depression. Worked for me.

Be open about your problems and don't be ashamed. Most people feel the way you do. I never lie to people about my mental issues - not even at work. Guess what? 95% of the people I worked with (all other programmers) were on some kind of meds, too - for depression, social anxiety, ADHD etc.. Feels so much better just being open about it and crack a joke here and there. "Let's just all put down work, go to the beach and cry!" "I'm in. I'll bring beer." "Oh, I wish I could!" [I remember that conversation happening on Slack once]

I don't know! Sitting home alone, pitying yourself and being upset about society never really changes anything. ;)

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two reasons for this. 1) Programming attract this sort of people in first place, where you see programmers, you will see lots of people like the ones described in the article. 2) It is very problematic, unfixed, and people need help. At least I do... but at the same time I refrain from asking for help, because usually the result is negative. "Oh, here we go again with the super intelligent guy complaining a…

About twice a week I wish I was dumber for some reason or another.

Eh. I used to do that until my 30's or so. Now I just want those damn kids off my lawn. ;)

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Ah yes, the monthly link to an article about intelligent/gifted children and the troubles their talents cause them, leading to all the self-proclaimed gifted HNers coming out of the woodwork declaiming "Me too! Me too! Finally someone who understands me!". Not dismissing the article itself, but it's definitely a pattern on HN.

>self-proclaimed gifted HNers

And if they had actually brought any evidence other than their own self claim, imagine how they would've been treated. No way to win except to shut up and pretend to be normal... one of the most depressing lessons I have learned is that all the social ills of grade school do not disappear when you graduate; they merge into the fabric of daily life.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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post #56

There's a reason why "outsider feels lonely, outsider is needed, outsider saves the world" has been a recurring theme in fiction for decades - it's something that everyone can identify with and everyone dreams of. It's normal. This isn't something that's limited to "gifted children".

This XKCD comes to mind: https://xkcd.com/610/
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