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Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by random_upvoter »

galfarragem wrote: post #220
balls187 wrote: post #141

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> Males generally dont marry up? My wife has a PhD, and is a Senior Data Scientist (why not Chief, who knows), and belongs to a noble Swedish/Finnish family. I am P.O.C. trash, from a (mostly) poor town in S Tacoma, WA. I hit the jackpot. > Unfortunately, their standards have really gone up since receiving said education. I'm not saying this to bash, it's simply my observation. I suspect that part of it has to do wit…

In marriage intelligence is more important than status . Men normally don't want to marry a smarter woman then them and the opposite on women. 1600 karma gives you some relationship potential and places you above trash..

> Men normally don't want to marry a smarter woman then them

Maybe that's true for a certain type of man suffering from insecurity.

In general I find that men love to find a woman who is smart and practical. After all, this is about your life partner.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by hnthrowaway4819 »

kevincrane wrote: post #218
MicroBerto wrote: post #190

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Of course you'll find some males that "marry up", but the data proves what many of us have known forever - as a man, you should strive to be elite in something , preferably something useful and sexually attractive. Otherwise you're just another brick in the wall. Where this is all going to blow up in society is the fact that women are now better-educated, and will soon make more money than their male counterparts, wh…

> A country needs strong, highly-engaged men who act as leaders. America is losing that more each and every day, and it saddens me. Literally every president in US history has been a man, 80.6% of Congress are men, 95.5% of Fortune 500 CEOs are men, and you're sad that it's getting marginally harder for men and that the country is lacking in strong male leaders?

Men-as-homogeneous-group fallacy. Given a high variance, it's entirely possible that the top [small-percentage]% of men hold presidencies, CEO positions, etc, while the large majority of men are suffering a degradation in status, respect, resources, etc. (And objectively so -- look at earnings trends in inflation-adjusted terms for men vs. women over the past 40 years.) The way these two are conflated seems to be at the root of a lot of animosity in the Gender Wars lately.

I'd tend to agree with GP that while existing as a white male today is still "easy mode" in many ways when you do push yourself, there's definitely this feeling that society is celebrating everyone else while you're sort of left on your own without much encouragement.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by NTDF9 »

vinceguidry wrote: post #142
NTDF9 wrote: post #92

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Funny you bring this up. I was on a date last Thursday and this girl (29 yrs old) was constantly trying to figure out how she was better than me....IN EVERY FACET OF LIFE. For example, she went on and on about how she is a badass since she went to the Amazon forests to a nice touristy shack with a guide and a bar. She told stories of hammocks, mosquito nets, snakes, insects and other wild stuff. After a long time, sh…

I have a better explanation. She was talking about the kinds of stuff she was into, and didn't sense that you were into the same things. Then when you said you did do stuff like that, she was interested because you had more in common. She didn't have an ego, you did. If you didn't, you guys could have talked all about the particulars of the stories she was telling, interspersing with similar tales from your adventure…

>> I have a better explanation. She was talking about the kinds of stuff she was into, and didn't sense that you were into the same things. Then when you said you did do stuff like that, she was interested because you had more in common.

Or...she could be a normal person and try to understand what I've been doing my whole life until now, just like I was listening to her about her own stories. Because in normal world, people have diverse lives.

If I say I only want a programmer woman (since I'm a programmer), but who is even better than me. What would you say about that? Am I being picky? Big ego? If I am, then why isn't she called picky?

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by hkmurakami »

sendos wrote: post #234
casca wrote: post #57

If anyone wants to improve the usability, data files are: http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/job-... http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/pair...

I sorted the data by which occupation marries within the same occupation the most: 13.9% Physicians and Surgeons 10.7% Textile Winding, Twisting, and Drawing Out Machine Setters, Operators, and Tenders 10.1% none 9.7% Farmers, Ranchers, and Other Agricultural Managers 9.7% Lawyers, and judges, magistrates, and other judicial workers 9.5% Miscellaneous Personal Appearance Workers 9.3% Veterinarians 8.8% Dentists 8.5%…

Looks like there's a correlation with long hours and isolated work environments away from other peer groups.

Doctors for instance are well known for pairing up during the residency grind since it dramatically drops their interactions with anyone outside of their residency program and also occurs during their late 20's. A perfect storm.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by tomp »

littletimmy wrote: post #232
tomp wrote: post #211

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It's wrong because s/he assumes that men collect money to "have power over women". That's a 180 degree wrong perception of reality. Men gather money to have power over other men ! By being the "best man" (rockstar, CEO, famous actor, mafia boss, most popular kid in high school, a prince), and having the greatest social status, you get disproportionate access to women/sex; it doesn't really matter if it's money that g…

I think your argument presupposes that women have no say in the matter. Like you're talking about men beating other men to have "access" to women, as if that's all that's needed. I personally believe that women have more agency than that, and they gravitate towards richer men. That establishes my earlier post - rich men have power over women.

Obviously women have agency; it just happens that they choose (in average) similar things. Like money (and fame). Men observe that and learn. And compete with other men to be chosen.

Edit: Ah, forget it. I don't think there's much point in my (second) comment; we're basically saying the same thing with slightly different words.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by 1wheel »

kukx wrote: post #235
casca wrote: post #57

If anyone wants to improve the usability, data files are: http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/job-... http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/pair...

How to interpret this kind of entry (pair-count.csv): 1,1010,,,1.53E+07 where sex_sp and occ_sp is omitted. Also, how to interpret the first entry in the job-name.csv: none,none,0,none I'm currently inclined to simply ignore these in my analysis.

In my graphic I ignored those rows, but you could look at only those rows to see which occupations are most likely not to be married.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by rayiner »

hkmurakami wrote: post #244
sendos wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sorted the data by which occupation marries within the same occupation the most: 13.9% Physicians and Surgeons 10.7% Textile Winding, Twisting, and Drawing Out Machine Setters, Operators, and Tenders 10.1% none 9.7% Farmers, Ranchers, and Other Agricultural Managers 9.7% Lawyers, and judges, magistrates, and other judicial workers 9.5% Miscellaneous Personal Appearance Workers 9.3% Veterinarians 8.8% Dentists 8.5%…

Looks like there's a correlation with long hours and isolated work environments away from other peer groups. Doctors for instance are well known for pairing up during the residency grind since it dramatically drops their interactions with anyone outside of their residency program and also occurs during their late 20's. A perfect storm.

The top 5 is also a list of professions requiring extensive graduate education. There is a lot of pairing up in medical/dental/law school.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by LordKano »

efaref wrote: post #238
auntyJemima wrote: post #74

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Males generally dont marry up? Couple things come to mind. Throughout my time, I've seen that women have their fair share of not wanting to marry down either. You want to say generalizations generalizations. Sure, but I think the age old stereotypes do have a hint of truth to them and the Bloomberg page here also states, "High-earning women (doctors, lawyers) tend to pair up with their economic equals, while middle-…

> Males generally dont marry up? It's the politically correct way of saying women don't marry down. Cf. the works of the great poet of our times, K. West.

Men, generally, can't marry up because women, generally, won't marry down.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by 1wheel »

kmod wrote: post #196

At first I found this fascinating -- "data shows that CEOs marry assistants" is a good narrative about gender attitudes towards marrying. But as I played with it, I was kind of bummed to learn: most male professions tend to marry assistants, since there are a lot of married female assistants (second only to teachers for females). I did a quick search for who male Programmers, Executives, and Janitors marry (tried to…

This is great, thanks for writing up what you found!

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by zhemao »

seunosewa wrote: post #172
jchoksi wrote: post #160

So disappointed. Was looking for the connection that shows who super models marry, so that I may plan my career like wise.

My guess: Talent agents & managers, sportsmen, actors, photographers, male models, musicians.

If I'm reading the viz correctly, it's actually truck drivers.
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