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Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by tomp »

littletimmy wrote: post #184
oh_sigh wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most men seek the JD to “make a lot of money” which is really just a euphemism for “power over women.” The first sentence is so wrong, I can't even bother reading on.

Just curious - how do you find this wrong? What utopia do you live in where money does not confer power?

It's wrong because s/he assumes that men collect money to "have power over women". That's a 180 degree wrong perception of reality. Men gather money to have power over other men! By being the "best man" (rockstar, CEO, famous actor, mafia boss, most popular kid in high school, a prince), and having the greatest social status, you get disproportionate access to women/sex; it doesn't really matter if it's money that gives you power or something else, it's just that money is increasingly important in our world.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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seizethecheese wrote: post #174
throwaway8818 wrote: post #12

Yoga instructor is missing. That's pretty much the ideal wife (lots of free time, unreasonably fit), and I'd like to know what job to obtain in order to be pursued by yoga instructors. And DJ is missing. Which prevents us from confirming the hypothesis that DJ's do better than JD's. http://longorshortcapital.com/short-jds.htm Most men seek the JD to “make a lot of money” which is really just a euphemism for “power ov…

> Yoga instructor is missing. That's pretty much the ideal wife (lots of free time, unreasonably fit) I see why you made a throwaway account to make this comment, but am surprised you haven't been downvoted into oblivion. Does HN really need it to be pointed out how sexist this comment is?

How is this sexist? He's just expressing his preferences (which BTW seem pretty universal - who would want to be in a relationship with someone who's unhealthy and has no time?!).

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by DominikR »

auntyJemima wrote: post #74
peter303 wrote: post #22

Business Insider has run several articles of the urban college female "problem". With 30% more females obtaining college degrees currently than males plus that males generally dont marry up, there is a surplus of 20-something college females in all metropolitan areas except San Francisco and Washington DC. Good news for guys then. One silly article tried explain the success of hookup apps is that more desperate femal…

Males generally dont marry up? Couple things come to mind. Throughout my time, I've seen that women have their fair share of not wanting to marry down either. You want to say generalizations generalizations. Sure, but I think the age old stereotypes do have a hint of truth to them and the Bloomberg page here also states, "High-earning women (doctors, lawyers) tend to pair up with their economic equals, while middle-…

> My sister and her friends are all pretty educated women. Unfortunately, their standards have really gone up since receiving said education.

Once you reach a certain level in earnings you will have a very hard time finding someone that earns approximately the same amount.

I'm sure that this is currently even harder for men.

In this situation you really only have the choice to either marry down or never have a family of your own and stay alone for the rest of your life.

The thing is, you don't really "marry down". Usually people in the US/EU don't have to fear that they will have to face starvation or anything like that if they marry the wrong women/man so what is marrying down even about?

If one partner already has a lot of resources, why would he/she then require the other partner to be his/her equal in this regard?

When you remove economic resources from the equation you'll find that there are many perfectly fine potential partners out there with all the attributes that one could hope for.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by 7952 »

vox_mollis wrote: post #161
Chris2048 wrote: post #72

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Why as a queer woman? How's that relevant?

Identity politics is how you shut down rational thought in the postmodern era. Very relevant to how people "argue" now.

You may be right but I find it difficult to believe you can really detach argument from peoples sense of identity. People are just too susceptible to bias for that. I don't trust scientists, I trust science. Rationalism is something to aspire to, not a sense of identity to attack people with.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by sean2 »

Grishnakh wrote: post #146
copperx wrote: post #85

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> My sister and her friends are all pretty educated women. What do you mean by this exactly? PhDs? MDs? > These days, they're all still single and reaching/past 30 and no man can scratch their itch. Could you give examples of the occupations of the rejected suitors?

I can't speak for him but I'm a bit over 40 and single again, and looking. What I'm seeing in the DC metro area is a ton of single women in my age range who are single and never married, and all of a sudden now they want to get married and have kids. (Some of them want kids, some don't.) So not "pushing 30", but "pushing 40". Other data I've seen shows that there's a big surplus of single women in both the NYC and DC…

Ha, same area here, but exploring the pushing 35 range.

From what I've seen, I don't think they actually expect to meet George Clooney. After living with their independence and high paying job, 100% of which they can spend on them-self, usually enabling tons of international travel. They don't actually want to settle down and put work into a relationship, but their friends and family constantly pester them to do so.

So they settle for appearing desperate to keep their friends and family happy, but keeping standards high so that either the sacrifices to have a relationship would be worth it to them or they don't get a relationship they didn't want anyway.

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Post by bobby_9x »

cvwright wrote: post #153
oh_sigh wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most men seek the JD to “make a lot of money” which is really just a euphemism for “power over women.” The first sentence is so wrong, I can't even bother reading on.

Don't bother, it only gets worse. The level of misogyny and sexism in this thread is way beyond what I expect from HN. What happened to professionalism and treating others with respect, guys? When our female colleagues complain about sexism in tech, stuff like this is (part of) what they're complaining about.

If what you are describing is an example of 'sexism in tech',then it's nonexistant.

The only problem I see is the inability to have honest discussions, without being called a 'sexist'.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by tomp »

_tpzm wrote: post #125

Surprisingly many of the comments here have a boorish, misogynistic tone. Please be respectful. This is Hacker News, not r/RedPill

Surprisingly many comments accuse others of misogyny without pointing out any specific instances or providing any argument whatsoever.

It turns out that "sexist" is also a commonly used tactic for shutting down discussion.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by kevincrane »

MicroBerto wrote: post #190
auntyJemima wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Males generally dont marry up? Couple things come to mind. Throughout my time, I've seen that women have their fair share of not wanting to marry down either. You want to say generalizations generalizations. Sure, but I think the age old stereotypes do have a hint of truth to them and the Bloomberg page here also states, "High-earning women (doctors, lawyers) tend to pair up with their economic equals, while middle-…

Of course you'll find some males that "marry up", but the data proves what many of us have known forever - as a man, you should strive to be elite in something , preferably something useful and sexually attractive. Otherwise you're just another brick in the wall. Where this is all going to blow up in society is the fact that women are now better-educated, and will soon make more money than their male counterparts, wh…

> A country needs strong, highly-engaged men who act as leaders. America is losing that more each and every day, and it saddens me.

Literally every president in US history has been a man, 80.6% of Congress are men, 95.5% of Fortune 500 CEOs are men, and you're sad that it's getting marginally harder for men and that the country is lacking in strong male leaders?

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by sridca »

MicroBerto wrote: post #190
auntyJemima wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Males generally dont marry up? Couple things come to mind. Throughout my time, I've seen that women have their fair share of not wanting to marry down either. You want to say generalizations generalizations. Sure, but I think the age old stereotypes do have a hint of truth to them and the Bloomberg page here also states, "High-earning women (doctors, lawyers) tend to pair up with their economic equals, while middle-…

Of course you'll find some males that "marry up", but the data proves what many of us have known forever - as a man, you should strive to be elite in something , preferably something useful and sexually attractive. Otherwise you're just another brick in the wall. Where this is all going to blow up in society is the fact that women are now better-educated, and will soon make more money than their male counterparts, wh…

I find it rather interesting that people advocate for such things as basic income (wherein a basic level of financial incentive is obviated), all the while steadfastly grasping at the notion that sexual/ marital incentive is essential for a thriving country.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by galfarragem »

balls187 wrote: post #141
auntyJemima wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Males generally dont marry up? Couple things come to mind. Throughout my time, I've seen that women have their fair share of not wanting to marry down either. You want to say generalizations generalizations. Sure, but I think the age old stereotypes do have a hint of truth to them and the Bloomberg page here also states, "High-earning women (doctors, lawyers) tend to pair up with their economic equals, while middle-…

> Males generally dont marry up? My wife has a PhD, and is a Senior Data Scientist (why not Chief, who knows), and belongs to a noble Swedish/Finnish family. I am P.O.C. trash, from a (mostly) poor town in S Tacoma, WA. I hit the jackpot. > Unfortunately, their standards have really gone up since receiving said education. I'm not saying this to bash, it's simply my observation. I suspect that part of it has to do wit…

In marriage intelligence is more important than status. Men normally don't want to marry a smarter woman then them and the opposite on women. 1600 karma gives you some relationship potential and places you above trash..
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