My Little Sister Taught Me How to “Snapchat Like the Teens” • Hacker News Board

Re: My Little Sister Taught Me How to “Snapchat Like the Teens”

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Post by mattlutze » Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 9:20 AM UTC

rtl49 wrote: post #103

I think our distaste for this obvious misdirection of human attention goes beyond mere "kids these days" prejudice. SV startups,"social," "interconnectedness," this nonsense is creating an asinine, infantilized generation: easily manipulated, desperate for social acceptance, incapable of independent thought, and entirely beholden to the whims of mainstream society. This cutesy "adult finds himself going with the flow…

Every generation presents the symptoms you list. The newest generations are no more asinine than the Silent Generation, the Boomers, the Greatest or their parents before.

Protesting child labor in beginning of the 20th century? How beholden to the whims of mainstream society, how desperate those people must have been for social acceptance that they protested such a common and accepted practice.

How were the older generations so incapable of independent thought to be easily conned into warring in the Middle East? The Drug Wars? Vietnam? Korea? Prohibition? Wars in Texas/Mexico and with pre-existing indigenous peoples?

How on earth did massive, completely non-functional flares in the legs of pants, or oversized suitcoats, or cravats ever make sense?

When we learn to love the awareness and consciousnesses around us we can love the change for simply being, instead of decrying it for being different from what we've previously experienced.

Re: My Little Sister Taught Me How to “Snapchat Like the Teens”

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Post by pacomerh » Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 9:34 AM UTC

Fortunate are the parents who can live around these new creatures that consume data without actually assimilating anything. I remember I used to feel really guilty when I played nintendo for hours and hours, discovering levels and fighting bosses. Today, I compare it to this...and I feel a little smarter.

Re: My Little Sister Taught Me How to “Snapchat Like the Teens”

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Post by dalore » Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 9:35 AM UTC

pacomerh wrote: post #312

Fortunate are the parents who can live around these new creatures that consume data without actually assimilating anything. I remember I used to feel really guilty when I played nintendo for hours and hours, discovering levels and fighting bosses. Today, I compare it to this...and I feel a little smarter.

That a bit elitist. But I bet our parents felt the same way about us in front of our video screens and their newspapers.

Re: My Little Sister Taught Me How to “Snapchat Like the Teens”

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Post by pacomerh » Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 9:36 AM UTC

dalore wrote: post #313

pacomerh wrote: post #312

Fortunate are the parents who can live around these new creatures that consume data without actually assimilating anything. I remember I used to feel really guilty when I played nintendo for hours and hours, discovering levels and fighting bosses. Today, I compare it to this...and I feel a little smarter.

That a bit elitist. But I bet our parents felt the same way about us in front of our video screens and their newspapers.

They might have yes. But tell me with honesty which of the two activities is emptier.

Re: My Little Sister Taught Me How to “Snapchat Like the Teens”

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Post by tychuz » Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 9:47 AM UTC

daveidol wrote: post #213

ambicapter wrote: post #120

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Yes, but you know snapchat pictures aren't really deleted right? 'Temporary pictures' is a proposition that doesn't actually exist in the digital realm, and certainly not when a VC-backed company is proposing it.

Yes, they really are. Read the "Message Deletion and Retention" section: https://www.snapchat.com/privacy

Oh come on, every phone can take a screenshot. Once you send a picture out - it's forever on the internet. That nude picture will end up in 4chan, 9gag, other teen image posting websites, then a dozen creepy guys will save them and share their collection...

Re: My Little Sister Taught Me How to “Snapchat Like the Teens”

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Post by jon-wood » Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 9:47 AM UTC

rrauenza wrote: post #85

matt_morgan wrote: post #49

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Every kid is different. You'll know what to do.

The great thing starting with a baby is you get to grow with them -- you don't have to be an expert right off the bat. Gloria Wall (mother of four, spouse of Larry Wall) also has great advice that is worth repeating: You don't have to be an expert in children to be a parent -- you only have to be an expert in _your_ children.

Just after our son was born this was wonderfully summed up by a friend of mine as being like levelling up in a game. You start off with the absolute basics of keeping them fed and clean, and then just as you've got the hang of that something new is introduce. Before you know it you're at month 24, and seemingly without effort juggling food, drink, changes, entertainment, nap times, and telling them what they just said is probably not appropriate in front of granny.

Re: My Little Sister Taught Me How to “Snapchat Like the Teens”

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Post by jon-wood » Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 9:52 AM UTC

mattlutze wrote: post #310

nawb wrote: post #133

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That's true, but the trophies and points are barely any value in the day-to-day. For example, in deciding to reply to a snap, the thought "My score's gonna increase if I do this" barely crosses the mind. It's always just about keeping the conversation. And since a lot of the conversation is filler that need not be saved forever, snaps have a unique position.

The bit of game theory they actively present is Seinfeld's "Don't Break the Chain" technique. Snapchat marks and elevates contacts you individually snap at at least once a day, moving those contacts into more-and-more personally named categories ("close friend", "best friends", etc). That bit is right in your face and rewards you for increased use.

I had no idea that was the case, but that's some next level psychological shit to be pulling on a predominantly teenage customer base. Does no one see the proposal to do something like this and think to step back for a second and consider the effect its going to have on people's lives?

Re: My Little Sister Taught Me How to “Snapchat Like the Teens”

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Post by egeozcan » Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 9:53 AM UTC

pacomerh wrote: post #314

dalore wrote: post #313

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That a bit elitist. But I bet our parents felt the same way about us in front of our video screens and their newspapers.

They might have yes. But tell me with honesty which of the two activities is emptier.

Well, IMHO, when you are playing Nintendo you are just consuming and Snapchat involves creating, so...

Re: My Little Sister Taught Me How to “Snapchat Like the Teens”

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Post by lmm » Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 9:56 AM UTC

qrendel wrote: post #277

jsmeaton wrote: post #236

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Not boys? Boys send nudes too, and often request them. Isn't that soliciting child porn? We need to be feeding kids (boys and girls) way more information and hoping they don't mess up too badly.

Maybe we could instead go after the people who want to make careers out of destroying teenage lives with trumped-up child pornography charges? They seem like the real enemy in this stuff.

Are you going to be the representative or congressman who proposes a bill to decriminalise child porn? Or the president who signs an executive order to not prosecute child porn cases? How do you think that would play in the media and with the voters?

Re: My Little Sister Taught Me How to “Snapchat Like the Teens”

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Post by lmm » Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 9:58 AM UTC

pmlnr wrote: post #296

Tactic wrote: post #52

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As an old-ass father of 3 that pokes here and there I can tell you that does happen. However, that is hardly the point of it. It is because everyone needs to be able to say and do things that aren't recorded. That go away. And kids need space to experiment and grow in ways they are not watched. Honestly, from what I can tell it is used far more for making funny faces and moments than anything else. Besides, if you ar…

> It is because everyone needs to be able to say and do things that aren't recorded. That go away. And kids need space to experiment and grow in ways they are not watched. I miss the old IRC. I do mean it, the world of emojis and stickers and selfies is too vibrant for me; IRC wasn't recorded, it was text, private and I do miss it. Still using it for IT and Open Source, but not for private stuff any more, because pri…

IRC has a protocol for avatar photos. Some clients will even download/display them automatically. And a lot of clients render emojis these days.