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Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by fit2rule »

gbersac wrote: post #70
kristofferR wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You shouldn't judge the progress on Sublime Text based on when the last "stable version" was released. They seem to be way too perfectionistic in deeming version 3 stable - the developer versions have all been more stable for me than any version of Atom ever has been. The Sublime Text 3 betas are production ready. It's true that the development progress has been really slow/halted this last year, but it seems to have…

That's the reason why I consider sublime text to be superior to atom. I heard some people complain about few bugs, ie sublime not working on some linux distribution. Nothing happened to me. And sublime is FAST.

For me, speed is the reason I'm still using ST3 instead of switching to Atom 'like everyone else' .. Sublime simply is nice and fast. (One more thing: large file support is just better..)

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by doktrin »

gbersac wrote: post #70
kristofferR wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You shouldn't judge the progress on Sublime Text based on when the last "stable version" was released. They seem to be way too perfectionistic in deeming version 3 stable - the developer versions have all been more stable for me than any version of Atom ever has been. The Sublime Text 3 betas are production ready. It's true that the development progress has been really slow/halted this last year, but it seems to have…

That's the reason why I consider sublime text to be superior to atom. I heard some people complain about few bugs, ie sublime not working on some linux distribution. Nothing happened to me. And sublime is FAST.

Yeah. I've experienced way more problems with Atom than I ever have with Sublime (as a user). Crazy performance issues and crashes on literally every platform I've installed it on (including Windows and OSX).

I agree with the parent in the sense that with Atom's resources and more extensible, modern design they will eventually have a superior product - but right now I keep finding reasons not to use it.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by vlunkr »

ggreer wrote: post #11

This is very good news, but I worry that it's too little, too late. For years, Sublime Text had no serious competitors. Then Atom came along. Don't get me wrong, Atom has significant drawbacks. But it also has advantages: it's open source, costs nothing, and has a couple dozen developers working on it. Sublime Text is closed source, costs $70 (totally worth it, IMO), and has two developers working on it. The differen…

Maybe development speed and release frequency aren't the best ways to measure the quality of software? Sublime Text is a solid product that has done well despite a slow release schedule.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by sagichmal »

neoeldex wrote: post #67
sagichmal wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VS Code is leagues better than Atom, but it's still perceivably and annoyingly slower than Sublime.

Especially when dealing with large files, atom just breaks. In ST3 it shows loading the file, but never becomes unresponsive

I'm not even talking about large files -- I'm only talking about normal interactions on small (1-10KB) files. Moving the cursor around in the text field, especially when my language plugin is in some mode that has some dialog up on the screen. Find and replace. Switching between open files. All of these operations often (but not always) demonstrate noticeable lag between keyboard input and screen output in VS Code (and Atom, of course).

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by lobster_johnson »

danielsamuels wrote: post #50
lobster_johnson wrote: post #7

They also replaced their awful old forums with Discourse (which Atom also uses): https://forum.sublimetext.com .

Implying Discource isn't terrible. I've never found it intuitive to use.

It isn't terrible. And compared to Sublime's old forums (some kind of phpBB monstrosity) it's superb.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by moonlighter »

ivanca wrote: post #63
modulus1 wrote: post #26

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> It probably also helps that extending Atom is much more approachable given that it's all Javascript... I've heard this said before, I've had the opposite experience. ST offers a small api and it was easy for me to make something work with a single .py file. I gave up trying the same thing in Atom; the api is larger and lower-level. Admission: I don't know coffeescript. ST of course isn't nearly as flexible, there a…

What are the things you can't do with ST? You can actually use the C bindings of python and do anything C can do... which is pretty much anything.

It's not about the limits of the language but the limits of the ST API itself. However, given Will Bond's background, this might just change for the better now that he's officially working for ST, so this is good news for all ST users obviously.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by hollerith »

cheez wrote: post #12
ggreer wrote: post #11

This is very good news, but I worry that it's too little, too late. For years, Sublime Text had no serious competitors. Then Atom came along. Don't get me wrong, Atom has significant drawbacks. But it also has advantages: it's open source, costs nothing, and has a couple dozen developers working on it. Sublime Text is closed source, costs $70 (totally worth it, IMO), and has two developers working on it. The differen…

If your goal is to making a living writing a text editor, you can't do that with Atom. As long as Sublime remains a good choice for professionals, I'm sure they'll do fine.

Are you sure no one can make a living by improving Atom? The license (BSDL) allows proprietary forks.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by batat »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #85
danielsamuels wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Implying Discource isn't terrible. I've never found it intuitive to use.

It isn't terrible. And compared to Sublime's old forums (some kind of phpBB monstrosity) it's superb.

While phpBB-ish forums looks pretty outdated nowadays, they're at least usable.

  Search Help
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  status:open	status:closed	status:archived	status:noreplies	status:single_user
  category:foo	user:foo	group:foo	badge:foo	
  in:likes	in:posted	in:watching	in:tracking	in:private
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Oh thanks, why not to simply embed DB REPL there?

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by [deleted] »

laumars wrote: post #62
jamespo wrote: post #59

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I think you are an edge case, most people don't switch between 5 different editors, especially when emacs will do all you need ;)

That's possibly quite true. I think it would be interesting to see statistics on the typical usage of any specific text editor (Atom, ST, whatever) as well as market penetration as most surveys I've seen only log which editor is preferred and don't account for users of multiple editors nor what those editors are used for. It's quite possible that my usage patterns are the smallest of minorities, but it's the only dat…

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Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by lobster_johnson »

batat wrote: post #88
lobster_johnson wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't terrible. And compared to Sublime's old forums (some kind of phpBB monstrosity) it's superb.

While phpBB-ish forums looks pretty outdated nowadays, they're at least usable. Search Help Options order:views order:latest order:likes status:open status:closed status:archived status:noreplies status:single_user category:foo user:foo group:foo badge:foo in:likes in:posted in:watching in:tracking in:private in:bookmarks in:first posts_count:num min_age:days max_age:days Oh thanks, why not to simply embed DB REPL th…

The fact that those search options are available is fantastic.

I find phpBB-type forums almost completely unusable. Pagination made for 1998; large, intrusive signatures; confusing timestamps (person's last location and login time more prominent than the timestamp of the comment), etc.

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