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Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Downvoted. Your point may not be ignorant, but it certainly seems that way given the unnecessarily violent language.

His/her words are too naughty to be tolerated? They offend you to such a degree that you can't just ignore them? Come on now.

It's more that they imply the poster is really angry. If you saw two speakers in the street, one arguing reasonably and the other swearing his head off, I think most people would place less value on the ranter.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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What's the actual issue with restarts? Is the downtime due to a restart unacceptable? Is it that users lose application state when a restart happens? Just trying to understand since I've written software with the same restart to config workflow and would like to understand what causes it to be problematic.

If you run tableau in an enterprise environment you will likely have a lot of c level executives, global sales teams and more relying on tableau to be available outside of your local business hours. This means any maintenance needs to be planned and communications sent out to all stakeholders. If reloading was an option then there wouldn't be downtime, and I wouldn't need to schedule a maintenance window for somethin…

Thanks for that perspective, I hadn't thought of that.

Would a system that did something like an internal cut-over be useful? e.g. try to start a whole new instance of the application, if it loads, then let it become the running application, if not, write an error log and shutdown?

It would still lose all the state associated with the previous instance, e.g. user sessions, but would avoid this specific issue.

I agree that it's pretty silly that things like email addresses need a restart, but I'm wondering in general how bad this pattern is.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Apologies if the following is ignorant: My exp with tableau was always that they obfuscate the final query... Fuck that. Looker doesn't && they even allow a meta Lang on top of them. So for you to say "just do X" leaves many less sophisticated orgs left in the dark. So my comment is both: Fuck their position and yours. I don't want to pay bullshit fees to tableau (with perf hits) && not be able to see the final query…

Downvoted. Your point may not be ignorant, but it certainly seems that way given the unnecessarily violent language.

Vulgarity equates to violence? What a brave new world!

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

#354

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His/her words are too naughty to be tolerated? They offend you to such a degree that you can't just ignore them? Come on now.

It's more that they imply the poster is really angry. If you saw two speakers in the street, one arguing reasonably and the other swearing his head off, I think most people would place less value on the ranter.

Uh... Maybe you dont talk to your friends too often...

You should see me with many many of my friends - dont imply anger where there is none, as we often get in "mock heated arguements" with smiles on our face.

I love you.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Apologies if the following is ignorant: My exp with tableau was always that they obfuscate the final query... Fuck that. Looker doesn't && they even allow a meta Lang on top of them. So for you to say "just do X" leaves many less sophisticated orgs left in the dark. So my comment is both: Fuck their position and yours. I don't want to pay bullshit fees to tableau (with perf hits) && not be able to see the final query…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11046494 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

#356

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It's more that they imply the poster is really angry. If you saw two speakers in the street, one arguing reasonably and the other swearing his head off, I think most people would place less value on the ranter.

Uh... Maybe you dont talk to your friends too often... You should see me with many many of my friends - dont imply anger where there is none, as we often get in "mock heated arguements" with smiles on our face. I love you.

It makes sense to talk that way to your friends, because you're already friends and there are stronger bonds holding you together. That makes shredding each other fun, because everyone knows it's in jest.

A large semi-anonymous internet forum like HN is at the opposite extreme. We're almost all strangers and near-strangers. The community has low cohesion, so the same behavior, with the same good intention, does harm.

You know how rugby players are famous for beating the shit out of each other on the pitch, then going out drinking after the game? I always envied those guys that experience. It works because they have high cohesion. They also know not to walk up to a stranger, smack them onto the pavement, and expect to be bought a beer later. You need to adjust for context.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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A programmers whose job is to make these kinds of reports will already have information about postcodes and so on, and take less time than you. Tableau is quick at doing simple things, but takes a lot of learning to do complex things. Often, you will have to resort to custom scripts, creating views, etc. Often, it just won't have the ability to do certain things. Anyone with any experience in drag and drop applicatio…

Are the complex requests in regards to getting/manipulating the data, or in the final visualization. I'm trying to build a desktop tool similar to Tableau but with the ability to easily drop down into python and do data manipulation with the pydata stack. Intended audience is the new breed of quantitative analysts/data scientists.

Both. While tableau has a visual query builder, sometimes the queries are too complex. For example they may need self-joins, non-standard join criteria, temporary tables, etc. So ultimately, the tableau guy has to ask a programmer or database person to create a script to use as the tableau source.

One example that involves both is when the visualisation needs a contiguous date range in the data, but the data is missing some dates. As a programmer it is easy to just loop through a date range and put 0 where there is no data.

There are also lots of limitations in terms of the visualisations. The end result was that multiple visualisations had to be created to show something that a programmer would be able to create as one visualisation.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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I wonder how that will affect this: "Tableau confirms big Kirkland expansion, plans to hire 1,000" http://www.seattletimes.com/business/technology/tableau-conf...

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that they're going to keep going on that guy, possibly with a bit of delay. Running joke over here is that Fremont is basically TableauVille. Or they're to Fremont as Microsoft is to Redmond. Hell, rumor has it that new buildings are being built in Fremont just for their damn expansion right now (take a wild guess if you're in the neighborhood which ones--it's not hard, just look for glass). I doubt even a big dip in share price is gonna quash their thirst for real estate for very long.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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New Relic also down by 25%, crazy day for Silicon Valley.

Which is pointless since they had a great earnings report, were cash flow positive for the quarter and raised their guidance. Additionally they mentioned in the call that no sector is more than 20% of their customers so they are diversified if a certain sector really tanks - like tech. They have 180 million in the bank so won't need credit markets any time soon and gradually approaching profitability. Disclaimer: I h…

Just looked at it. No profit and trading at 10x revenues.

You might be right who knows, but can't realy say the fear on this stock is irrational at the moment, imho

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Correct. Cash real estate purchases by Chinese nationals will continue to dwarf those of Silicon Valley employees.

Are there any sources / links you can share on cash real estate purchases in SV or Bay Area? I'm interested in reading more about this and a preliminary search isn't yielding any recent news.

This sort of data would be interesting/ useful for any location. I was recently in Phuket where I was told property prices are dropping due to the Russian currency tanking, so many of the Russian owners are selling up. Knowing how much of an area is owned by certain foreigners would definitely be valuable knowledge.
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