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Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by shrikant »

rwmurrayVT wrote: post #251
chris_wot wrote: post #238

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Nope. But if you work out costs, I think you'll find a dedicated developer on a contract may well work out the same amount as you spend on licensing.

No, you won't. 1,000 USD/yr for a license.. If you pay someone 100 USD/hr to do the work compared to 50 USD/hr for a random Joe Blow analyst then it only needs to save 20 hours of time. ITT: A lot of people who don't realize 1k a year isn't an absurd enterprise price.

Also to clarify, the licence is $1000 for the first purchase. Subsequently, you only have to pay the maintenance fees of about usd 200 per year to remain eligible for support and upgrades. You can still continue using the latest version you were on in perpetuity.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by shrikant »

wsh wrote: post #80
walker7734 wrote: post #39

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I would very much like to know what particular issues you are having as well? I work at Tableau and I would like to make sure that issues people are seeing are on our radar, if they aren't already.

Thanks for asking. I just installed 9.0.4, and here are a few examples: - Tableau Server runs only on Windows, so why can't it use a TLS certificate and key from the CryptoAPI certificate store, rather than requiring these to be converted to PEM format (with Unix line endings!) and saved in the file system? In an enterprise with an internal CA using Active Directory Certificate Services, these extra steps have to be…

Ive done a Tableau Server rollout at a previous client, and iirc, we were easily able to run it as a managed service account. (Microsoft AD)

Any specific difficulties you faced with this..?

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by chris_wot »

shrikant wrote: post #281
rwmurrayVT wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you won't. 1,000 USD/yr for a license.. If you pay someone 100 USD/hr to do the work compared to 50 USD/hr for a random Joe Blow analyst then it only needs to save 20 hours of time. ITT: A lot of people who don't realize 1k a year isn't an absurd enterprise price.

Also to clarify, the licence is $1000 for the first purchase. Subsequently, you only have to pay the maintenance fees of about usd 200 per year to remain eligible for support and upgrades. You can still continue using the latest version you were on in perpetuity.

How much for licensing the server itself?

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by fidget »

jstandard wrote: post #272
genericpseudo wrote: post #200

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The ELK stack is really fancy next generation "tail -f | grep" in a web browser. Which is awesome and really important, but a very different problem from "tell me how many users have used my app for three or more days in a sliding thirty day window".

I've been eyeing a switch to the ELK stack from Mixpanel + Big Query for an app. Could you expand on what ELK is useful for?

Oh god, don't do it. Running E is a bitch, and incredibly expensive. To get L running over any kind of load, you need to do so many hacks.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by 243464646 »

gomox wrote: post #61
tomasien wrote: post #49

I don't know what Tableau Software is and I found it pretty amazing that when I Google it I could still not figure it out because all the results were about the stock price. I think people might be focusing too much on stock price is Googling a company's name doesn't result in seeing the company's website on the first page of results.....

Tableau is a surprisingly good desktop application for business intelligence and analytics that, IMO, grew too big for its own good. You plug it into data (spreadsheets, databases, you name it) and it makes it very simple (drag-and-drop simple) to crunch some numbers and produce interesting graphs, visualizations and analysis. Some clever stuff they had was (early-RoR-style) guessing of data semantics based on heuris…

I used to work at a company where, under duress, I had to push tableau to its limits. My company spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on it. The main use was to provide reports on the data created by the application we sold.

It would be great if it just stayed as a better version of the excel chart maker. Instead, it was seen in my company as a way to replace programmers. All of these types of applications have the same flaws:

They sell a dream that you can turn a complex task that requires experts, into a simple task that anyone can do. In reality, you either have a simple application that doesn't do much, or an extremely complex application that still doesn't offer the performance and flexibility of just using an expert.

You end up creating a programming via drag and drop application that is more complicated to learn than actual programming. You replace general programmers with useless tableau specialists.

It took the tableau experts weeks to do what a programmer could do in days when complex requirements came up. Most requirements were complex.

Tableau Server is very, very slow and requires massive resources to run.

Tableau had to run the full, unfiltered query so that it could generate filter lists with all of the possible options. This query was often too large to run.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by 243464646 »

physcab wrote: post #230
IndianAstronaut wrote: post #226

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Tableau is not scriptable. 3 places I have worked are moving away from it because of this severe limitation. You have no control over what queries it writes and you can't easily add simple scripts to make things more seamless or performant, like say a quick scripted query to populate a dropdown menu.

It's not very scriptable but that's not the use case of Tableau. Generally data analysts do not know how to program. They meet with PMs to understand concerns, interpret concerns into metrics, write some SQL, and display them in dashboards. While Tableau performance is a thing that people debate, its a non-issue. Generally, the data analyst produces a report that is consumed by 1-10 people and if that consumption gro…

In other words, it is for big shitty companies that have hired a bunch of useless people who can't do anything and need reports to get their bosses off their back.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by frik »

babo wrote: post #160
physcab wrote: post #90

Tableau is a good product. I use it daily. There simply is no better alternative for quick ad-hoc, enterprise-level, intuitive graph and dashboard making. I've been at large orgs where we evaluated all the cloud services like Mixpanel and the ilk, but they are very different use cases. Tableau + Redshift (or Vertica but Redshift is way less expensive) is the typical BI tech stack. When I go a client or a new job and…

Tableau is a great product but with a high price stigma. I really like it, when clients asking for recommendation my first answer is Tableau. They like the product and the features but the reaction is always the same: nice, but it's too expensive for us, we'll go with PowerBI. Competing with Microsoft is a tough game.

MS SQL server is very expensive, especially thanks since their recent license changes. Microsoft BI (PowerBI, etc) is to lock you in to their ecosystem (MSSQL, Excel, SharePoint/Office365, Windows Servers/Azure cloud).

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by 243464646 »

brooklyndude wrote: post #98

I can hack d3js. Can crunch billions of records in a flash of the eye, can wrangle most any DB (NoSQL, et al) out there, why would I need Tableau? Answer: We want someone stable! Not some crazy hacker. Plus if we don't spend the cash, we don't have it in our budget next year. Oh, I get it now. :-)

You are 100% correct. I worked in a company that used Tableau heavily and I am pretty sure I know more about Tableau than most people here.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by 243464646 »

npalli wrote: post #108
brooklyndude wrote: post #98

I can hack d3js. Can crunch billions of records in a flash of the eye, can wrangle most any DB (NoSQL, et al) out there, why would I need Tableau? Answer: We want someone stable! Not some crazy hacker. Plus if we don't spend the cash, we don't have it in our budget next year. Oh, I get it now. :-)

No you don't get it. Tableau is for people who can't hack (or don't want to hack) d3js or crunch billions of records or whatever techie thing you seem to be so proud of. The mission is supposed to be self-service business intelligence, i.e, allowing a typical business analyst to drag drop and create good visualizations and analytics. Not dick around and waste time with databases and javascript.

Except that it only lets you do a set number of things. Most requests for information are not simple, and once you leave the comfort of simplicity, you have to become an expert in tableau, or in many cases, just accept that it can't do what you want it to do.

Unless your queries are very simple, you are better off finding a programmer and asking them to do your job.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by 243464646 »

wyck wrote: post #148
brooklyndude wrote: post #98

I can hack d3js. Can crunch billions of records in a flash of the eye, can wrangle most any DB (NoSQL, et al) out there, why would I need Tableau? Answer: We want someone stable! Not some crazy hacker. Plus if we don't spend the cash, we don't have it in our budget next year. Oh, I get it now. :-)

Lol, so I use Tableau every week. For example today I had a government request to measure quantity of customers outside a particular business radius of 40km. Meaning what percent of total visits are in the radius vs outside it. I had 8k postal codes. This took me literally 5 minutes in tableau, I would hate to see how long this would take you writing code. ..Just the tip of the example iceberg.

A programmers whose job is to make these kinds of reports will already have information about postcodes and so on, and take less time than you. Tableau is quick at doing simple things, but takes a lot of learning to do complex things. Often, you will have to resort to custom scripts, creating views, etc. Often, it just won't have the ability to do certain things.

Anyone with any experience in drag and drop applications will tell you that once things get complex, it ends up taking much more time using the simple drag and drop solution as you spend all of your time trying to get it to do something that is outside of a basic drag and drop model.

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