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iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Your reading is correct. But there's always going to be people complaining about word choice even if your meaning is perfectly clear and inoffensive.

That may be true but it does not cost me anything at all to change the text so that it does not offend and in that sense it is an improvement. At the same time I see HN slide towards reddit just one little bit more with all the 'you insensitive clod' comments lately and that is sad too.

I think it's worse than that, it's sliding towards Metafilter, where half the conversation is derailed by meta comments and whether it's appropriate to talk a certain way.

Screw that.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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post #129

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From the link: "The important distinction is of intent. In the benign explanation, a slowdown of old phones is not a specific goal, but merely a side effect of optimizing the operating system for newer hardware" When we try to judge intent we do judge the context. So let's look at the context: people do know that iPhone updates will probably slow their device(even though Apple doesn't tell them that). And there's no…

Software getting slower with updates is a fact of life. It's been an obvious and expected thing since I started being aware of computers and updates in the late 1980s and I'm sure it was a thing even before that. The odds that Apple is doing this on purpose, rather than as a standard side effect of cramming ever more features into their stuff, are so low it doesn't bear more than a moment's consideration. What's next…

I'm not arguing against the update making the device slower. But the fact it's built so people would upgrade(via irremovable nagging), even when it's clearly not what's best for them.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Your reading is correct. But there's always going to be people complaining about word choice even if your meaning is perfectly clear and inoffensive.

That may be true but it does not cost me anything at all to change the text so that it does not offend and in that sense it is an improvement. At the same time I see HN slide towards reddit just one little bit more with all the 'you insensitive clod' comments lately and that is sad too.

At the same time I see HN slide towards reddit just one little bit more with all the 'you insensitive clod' comments lately and that is sad too.

If you don't want HN to slide that way, then I suggest you not give in and change it back. After all, I think offense is entirely in the mind of the beholder.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Damned if they do, and damned if they don't. "Anyone can access your private photos and emails! Just replace the home button with one programmed with your own fingerprints!" Can you imagine the comments if that were a story? The problem here is that Apple didn't find a way to tell repair shops and users that this could be an issue.

It doesn't have to be either or. Apple could provide a better fail over behavior for the home key, including a way for a consumer to validate the changed hardware. For instance: "IOS has detected a change in your Secure Home Key. Please contact apple secure support to confirm that your device is still secure!" add a 1-800 number and some security questions. Or automate it by requiring a login to your Apple account, e…

The bad guy can then walk the user through that security verification process, and the user is screwed. Think it through.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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What if that "repair" was done by NSA, CIA, etc? Should the phone boot like nothing happened? Seriously?

Hell, they could, on boot, display a message with something like "This phone contains contains a non genuine apple part" Then the question is, could the NSA/CIA/etc trick the phone into thinking the repair was valid?

On boot? Many naive users never boot their phones after the first time they open the box.

So then, what, if not on boot, show it all the time, with no option to suppress? If you offer a way to suppress it, that will be used by the bad guys.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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I find the way racism become THE WORST THING in the world wildly amusing. There are 7 000 000 000 people on the planet and all of them are racist. We people are wired to dislike people not like us.

>There are 7 000 000 000 people on the planet and all of them are racist. Even if that was true, which it isn't, why do you think that means we should give up and speak or write carelessly? Why do you object to improvement/progress?

Yes it is true. In every country in the world there are marginalized people based on their ethnicity and religion.

Because it is neither progress nor improvement. Thought policing is harmful and stupid.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Are people with myopia discriminated against in society?

Absolutely. There are jobs that discriminate against people with eyesight disabilities (some aircraft pilot jobs, for example) and there are many products that don't account for people wearing glasses. People with glasses are widely stereotyped as nerds or geeks and often experience bullying. People wearing glasses were also reportedly targeted in mass killings by the Khmer Rouge due to that same stereotype.

It's not discrimination if the ability in question is a bona fide occupational qualification. If you can't see well, you can't fly safely.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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post #179

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Your analogy is way off. This is more like your Tesla car's keyfob misfunctioning and you get it repaired by a non-Tesla dealer. The dealer could've put in a backdoor to get into the vehicle. Tesla releases a big new update for their car software and now your Tesla is completely bricked and Tesla refuses to repair it, saying you have to buy a new car. Is that acceptable?

Almost, except the Tesla store just says you have to buy a new (authentic) key fob rather than a new car. Apple or other authorized repair shops can still fix phones that have been disabled due to security chain errors.

and how can I be sure that in the Apple store they are fixing the phone with a thrustworthy component? and so on... Apple excuses make no sense this time.
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