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LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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A lot of people hating on LNKD here, but this isn't really company-specific. This is a macro shift. LNKD being down by 40% by only guiding down 8% below estimates is a big warning of how the market is about to treat all bloated growth stocks. In 2013, if they reported the same results, the stock would have been flat or slightly down. It's a major shift in investor sentiment. Bubble bursts always start in the public m…

It’s probably even a too optimistic forecast. The readjustment of the market to reality is going to be a big issue, especially when one looks at just how many companies are operating at huge losses. Most people already know that it can’t continue like this. The good thing is, real estate values will decrease like the pay, so people can rent at cheaper rates in the bay areas. The bad thing is, those who have bought a…

I don't see TWTR dying. They make too much money. What I do see is a major correction in their head count.

I could see them operating with 100-200 employees.

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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Let's see what happens first. The 2008 crash was orderly too up until Lehman Brothers went bankrupt in Sept 2008: https://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&... Market topped in Oct 2007, and then there was a bunch of debate over whether we were or weren't in a recession through the first half of 2008. Bear Sterns went bust in March 2008, everybody was like "Well duh, they should have known it was co…

I think what Kin is saying before in 2008 and dot-com there were fundamental reasons for a bubble to burst which had an navigate reprecussions on the economy(recession/increased unemployment). dotcom - shell companies, with no revenue or profits. 2008 - excessive/unsustainable leverage both by corporations and individuals. This time around multiple QE cycles resulted in decreased treasury and bond yeilds. People\fund…

That's like saying the housing crash would have never happened because real estate always has inherent value.

A bubble's a bubble. This isn't a simple "correction". When your stock's PE is above 1000x, it's a bubble. Overvaluation IS the definition of a bubble, not a lack of "fundamentals".

Amazon and Yahoo had revenue in 2000 and still crashed.

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

#533

A lot of people hating on LNKD here, but this isn't really company-specific. This is a macro shift. LNKD being down by 40% by only guiding down 8% below estimates is a big warning of how the market is about to treat all bloated growth stocks. In 2013, if they reported the same results, the stock would have been flat or slightly down. It's a major shift in investor sentiment. Bubble bursts always start in the public m…

I'm expecting a 30-40% decline in S&P 500, 30% decline in bay area real estate values, 30% of bay area "well-funded" startups going bust, and 25% reduction in market rate pay for software engineers over the next 2 years And by expecting, you mean investing accordingly? Hopefully that will turn out to be a gloomy forecast, but it's best to prepare for the worst. Actually, it's not. Being right at the wrong time is arg…

As a wise economist once said, the market has ability to stay irrational longer than your ability to stay solvent.

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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A lot of people hating on LNKD here, but this isn't really company-specific. This is a macro shift. LNKD being down by 40% by only guiding down 8% below estimates is a big warning of how the market is about to treat all bloated growth stocks. In 2013, if they reported the same results, the stock would have been flat or slightly down. It's a major shift in investor sentiment. Bubble bursts always start in the public m…

Stop scaring the kiddos with your ghost stories. At least let them enjoy their weekend. The problem is shrinking global liquidity. Losses in the Chinese financial system and in the global energy sector are forcing governments, central banks and sovereign wealth funds to sell assets around the world. These are some of the biggest asset managers in the world. It is unclear to me how this will end. When the mortgage mar…

> The number of people employed might.

It will.

> Engineer salaries are not going to drop a whole lot.

Basic economics say that will follow.

None of these events are isolated. They're interconnected and cascade. Everyone will be affected, even those who are flipping burgers in the Bay Area.

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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To me it looks like a wasteland of recruiters. I used to think it was neat when some recruiter would contact me about a job, but now I realize they are just spamming everyone with (your framework here) listed in their skills. The over-saturation of recruiters, connections with everyone you even slightly know, and people endorsing you for skills they don't know you have has made it all meaningless.

If you were an outsider in need of a job, you'd appreciate the recruiter spam.

Not when they all for your resume, then turn you down because you only know Chef, not Chef, Puppet and Ansible.

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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post #353

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Stop scaring the kiddos with your ghost stories. At least let them enjoy their weekend. The problem is shrinking global liquidity. Losses in the Chinese financial system and in the global energy sector are forcing governments, central banks and sovereign wealth funds to sell assets around the world. These are some of the biggest asset managers in the world. It is unclear to me how this will end. When the mortgage mar…

> The number of people employed might. It will. > Engineer salaries are not going to drop a whole lot. Basic economics say that will follow. None of these events are isolated. They're interconnected and cascade. Everyone will be affected, even those who are flipping burgers in the Bay Area.

> Everyone will be affected, even those who are flipping burgers in the Bay Area.

hey sure there is a bubble there, but last time I checked BA wasn't caput mundi yet. Plenty non inflated startups do exist, even if not specifically there.

Where the whole economy is sustained by VC money, well, there's gonna hit the hardest. But doesn't seem that the whole IT world is following that model.

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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> The number of people employed might. It will. > Engineer salaries are not going to drop a whole lot. Basic economics say that will follow. None of these events are isolated. They're interconnected and cascade. Everyone will be affected, even those who are flipping burgers in the Bay Area.

> Everyone will be affected, even those who are flipping burgers in the Bay Area. hey sure there is a bubble there, but last time I checked BA wasn't caput mundi yet. Plenty non inflated startups do exist, even if not specifically there. Where the whole economy is sustained by VC money, well, there's gonna hit the hardest. But doesn't seem that the whole IT world is following that model.

That doesn't matter in the short term. Once the inflated startups tank, everything will take a dive. Remember 2000?

Maybe not. Seems like many here are too young. I'm only in my early 30s and am already feeling deja vu. Life is strange.

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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post #353

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Stop scaring the kiddos with your ghost stories. At least let them enjoy their weekend. The problem is shrinking global liquidity. Losses in the Chinese financial system and in the global energy sector are forcing governments, central banks and sovereign wealth funds to sell assets around the world. These are some of the biggest asset managers in the world. It is unclear to me how this will end. When the mortgage mar…

> The number of people employed might. It will. > Engineer salaries are not going to drop a whole lot. Basic economics say that will follow. None of these events are isolated. They're interconnected and cascade. Everyone will be affected, even those who are flipping burgers in the Bay Area.

Actually, basic economics says that wages tend to be sticky.

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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> 30% decline in bay area real estate values. that won't happen. During the 2008 big burst everywhere in USA was felling apart but in SF real-estate was just down 5%-10%. SF can't expand easily since it's water 3/4 all around. Demand still high and supply very low. That won't change dramatically, with or without a collapse in the public market.

During the 2001-2002 bust, bay area rents fell 50% in marginal neighborhoods. In desirable neighborhoods, rents fell maybe 10%. Prices to buy came down, but not nearly as much. In marginal areas 20%, in desirable neighborhoods, maybe 1%. Small houses and fixer-uppers in the 10/10/10 school districts (ie, Palo Alto) kept going up. One reason is that construction prices fell 30%, so there was allot of tears downs and r…

what happened to the Small houses and fixer-uppers in the 9/8/8 school districts?

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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> The number of people employed might. It will. > Engineer salaries are not going to drop a whole lot. Basic economics say that will follow. None of these events are isolated. They're interconnected and cascade. Everyone will be affected, even those who are flipping burgers in the Bay Area.

Actually, basic economics says that wages tend to be sticky.

And as a result, unemployment higher.
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