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GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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I don't understand why this is an issue for the current employees. Surely you hire a bunch of sales people and a bunch of consultants to help with on-boarding/support and place them in a separate floor or building. They don't really need to interact with developers. The 'brogrammers' just carry on as normal and some of their work is now adding features to help support enterprise requirements. Unless your sitting a co…

Why do the sales people need to be on a different floor?

the smell

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

#132

The only reason I still use Github is because of the network effect. If they fall apart, I'll migrate to a self-hosted Gitlab instance and that will be the end of that. I'm just hoping that, should GH fail, it hold off on failing until I learn Ruby sufficiently well to review the entire GL code base so I can deploy it with confidence . EDIT: Yes, "with confidence" is a very important qualifier that is drastically imp…

or go for gogs and learn go along the way? ;p

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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post #63

>Enterprises often want assurances of uptime that carry legal or financial penalties, they need certain features for security and for accountability, and they often want the ability their suppliers to have met certain audits and standards for security, operations and so on. That's not how you English.

Please don't be rude.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

#134

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> GitHub raised $250 million last year and, as you mentioned, there's nothing externally visible to show for it I completely agree, I've never been able to take github seriously as a GUI -- (e.g. there is still no way to search commits). > All this gets back to a bigger trend we see these days: closed platforms are like governments (google, apple, github, twitter). I don't think it's the same to include Github into t…

> there is still no way to search commits I guess you mean commit messages, because you can search the code on Github. For the messages, if your repository is public you can use Google like this: > Search all branches of all crawled repos for "change license" > > "change license" site:https://github.com/*/*/commits > > Search master branch of all crawled repos for "change license" > > "change license" site:https://gi…

You cannot do this for private repos? Anyways besides that, just having to know these hacks means there is absolutely no sense in committing to using a GUI tool when all of this is adequately implemented in command-line. Why a company with estimated worth at billion dollars+ can't add something as simple as commit message search though -- I don't know.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

#135
post #24

I've been on GitHub since the earliest days, and I've definitely noticed that there's something going on -- or the lack of anything going on more like it. When was the last time a big feature that people are actually clamoring for was added to GitHub (and let's not pretend LFS fits that description)? Meanwhile you have the maintainers of the most popular projects publicly begging for changes they've been waiting year…

For my team's (~20 people) uses, Github (and the tools we and others develop ontop of it) meets our needs amazingly well and literally would be 100% worth the price at 10X the cost. I don't think the fact that others have built tools on top of github means that github is lacking features, in the same way that the existence of github doesn't mean that git is lacking features. On the other hand, seemingly ignoring your…

It's funny you mention that, because I'm on a team of 7 who are really struggling with GitHub now. There are so many things that we know don't work, or could be better (which I have reported).

That said, still worth the money.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

#136
Gitlab as mentioned in the original article is actually a fairly decent alternative for github. The biggest advantage as I see it is that you can self-host the open source version so you don't have to host the crown jewels of your company (the source code) under care of github's servers.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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post #126

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> you know they are suffering from systemic issues internally I mean, when hasn't github been suffering from systemic internal issues? Drama is practically their whole schtick.

When I went to a GitHub-organized meetup in Berlin a few years back, they bragged how a bunch of them decided to rent a place in the city for a few months, to work at day and party at night, I realized they were maybe a bit too chillaxed.

Would you prefer they worked all day and all night as well?

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

#138
post #9

Is anyone else bored by hoodie culture? I used to work at a startup like that when I was young, and I enjoyed it then, but there can be so much more to companies. Where I work now, engineering is roughly a quarter of the company. The rest is made up of legal, compliance, business development, people ops and some other miscellaneous. You know what? It's great. There are more extroverts in the office, people who go out…

Not sure what you're trying to say here? I work at a company where the dress can be anywhere from hoodies to jeans and collared shirts. We have sales people who are really awesome and extroverted, yet they come in wearing hoodies, or hawaiian shirts on hawaiian shirt day, but also know how to dress more formally when necessary.

Nothing says "enterprise" like Hawaiian shirt day.

Let's be relaxed AND conforming at the same time!

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

#139

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I think you just summed up why no one's been able to kill off craigslist. CL kept it simple, stuck to what they did best and hardly added any features.

And restricted access to their data + cease-and-desisted anyone who wanted to augment the CL experience. They're still in business because they are shrewd and have the critical mass required to maintain their monopoly, not because they have a killer product.

I find it hard to find fault anyone who resists 3rd parties attempting to Embrace and Extend ("augment") their product. It is pretty obvious to me that getting disintermediated from your users lowers the value you offer & makes you a disposable part of the stack: as soon as the 'augmenters' become popular enough, they'd replace CL with a home-grown solution

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

#140
post #7

I don't understand why this is an issue for the current employees. Surely you hire a bunch of sales people and a bunch of consultants to help with on-boarding/support and place them in a separate floor or building. They don't really need to interact with developers. The 'brogrammers' just carry on as normal and some of their work is now adding features to help support enterprise requirements. Unless your sitting a co…

Enterprise sales people can make a habit of selling things that the product can't currently do, and then forcing engineering to make it a reality on a compressed timeline because "this is a deal we can't afford to lose." Repeatedly. No idea if that's happeing at GitHub, but I've seen it happen a few other places, and it sucks for the engineering and product teams even if the sales people are in a different state. In…

> Enterprise sales people can make a habit of selling things that the product can't currently do, and then forcing engineering to make it a reality

In my experience, this happens because sales people come to the engineers and say "can we do [mad thing]?" and, engineers being engineers, go "yeah, sure, [possibly adding detail and constraints but the sales people stopped listening at 'yeah']". I've seen this many, many times.

Default answer out of any engineer's mouth should be "No." with optional coda of "But if you can tell me more about it, we might get to maybe."

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