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GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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I've been on GitHub since the earliest days, and I've definitely noticed that there's something going on -- or the lack of anything going on more like it. When was the last time a big feature that people are actually clamoring for was added to GitHub (and let's not pretend LFS fits that description)? Meanwhile you have the maintainers of the most popular projects publicly begging for changes they've been waiting year…

Whenever a company stops communicating frequently and candidly with its core user base (even if they are free tier users), then you know they are suffering from systemic issues internally and probably are or will be on the decline.

> you know they are suffering from systemic issues internally

I mean, when hasn't github been suffering from systemic internal issues? Drama is practically their whole schtick.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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We moved from GitHub to Gitlab (mostly self hosted), honestly - Gitlab is just so much better in almost every way. We find the UI (recently) so much more intuitive, Gitlab CI is fantastic when combined with Docker, they're far more transparent and pro open source, their dev and management team will do almost anything to listen and help you, the configuration and customisation of the self hosted omnibus install is almost fantastic, they've been squashing bugs and releasing features rapidly while also decreasing the number of regressions introduced and improving their test suit across the board.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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> Enterprise sales people can make a habit of selling things that the product can't currently do, and then forcing engineering to make it a reality on a compressed timeline because "this is a deal we can't afford to lose." A million times this. I currently work at an enterprise software firm, and this is exactly what happens with each new client. In addition to the compressed timelines and ridiculous feature requests…

3.) The ball of spaghetti rolls downhill, agglobulating ALL THE FEATURES , along with forty-seven hundred switches and configuration options controlling them, resulting in a combinatorial explosion of possible system states and code paths, and you end up with something that sends email, has a social feed, group chat rooms, a home-brew scripting language, some half-baked custom charting and reporting, theming and cust…

I think you just summed up why no one's been able to kill off craigslist. CL kept it simple, stuck to what they did best and hardly added any features.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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GitHub got off the ground on-selling an emerging open-source product as a service with some innovations around data visualizations / analytics and community structure, customized for the web. Their growth really comes down to the right set of features at the right time, a low friction setup, good price point and good flow of communication with their user base.

The perceived stagnation is likely a side-effect of scaling the operation to fit with increased demand and the growth and expectations of their private & enterprise (paying) customers, who have become notably more high profile as the years roll on. With it comes the difficulty and expense of providing a dependent, secure infrastructure and a more refined and audited code base to fit the needs.

It's a diverse community here and while some groups consistently demand feature freeze (hating on 'bloat', 'features coming from marketing', focus on 'core product'), others are only convinced that a products relevancy is based only on cutting edge features ('we need feature a, because b', 'product c is irrelevant because product d offers a'). To offer refinement that appeals to both camps is a delicate tightrope.

Meanwhile you have market speculation that would use in part a forum like this as a sounding board for some kind of consumer sentiment index.

The complaints with GitHub seem fairly incidental, people airing their grievances on the incumbent because the cost of moving is considered either a hassle or a big-deal. But moving is an option, and the perceived stagnation is building a better competition (that they fulfill the promise without other expenses is always the gamble). GitHub isn't without problems, and it does seem like some obvious community complaints that have stagnated, but once released it'll probably just be a case of 'finally, thanks, no love lost'.

In the end, Git by nature is decentralized, easily self hosted, and both GitLab and Phabricator provide interesting open-source environments. It's not exactly a one way street.

But maybe it was always going to be a tough market to corner? My prediction.. more posts on HN describing migration to a different system and how it solved everything.. and then the followup 12-24 months later. Oh well.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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No, I did not notice that. And that's because glassdoor is such a whiney bitch-fest that being on that site sucks even harder than wading through the dogshit on linked in. Here's your average glassdoor post: Weh! Weh weh weh weh weh! Mih mih mih! Boo hoo! Poopy! Besides, every one knows that a good PR department will just spam the living shit out of a site like that, and bury negative posts. It's glassdoor's entire b…

It does look a little strange that there are entries actually missing though - that's quite different to being buried.

Glassdoor removes negative reviews if you advertise with them. Also if you know the right people who work there (source: my current bosses friend from college works there, and he was bragging to me about how he got them to pull all our negative reviews. One of which I wrote).

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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Whenever a company stops communicating frequently and candidly with its core user base (even if they are free tier users), then you know they are suffering from systemic issues internally and probably are or will be on the decline.

> you know they are suffering from systemic issues internally I mean, when hasn't github been suffering from systemic internal issues? Drama is practically their whole schtick.

When I went to a GitHub-organized meetup in Berlin a few years back, they bragged how a bunch of them decided to rent a place in the city for a few months, to work at day and party at night, I realized they were maybe a bit too chillaxed.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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Repeat after me coders: Sales is not evil.

Of course, my job wouldn't exist without the sales people bringing work into the company. That doesn't mean I'm not glad they all sit clear on the other side of the office in a quarantined section where they can extrovert at each other all day and leave the rest of us to code in peace.

> where they can extrovert at each other all day

This is hilarious and I am going to have to steal it! XD

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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I've been on GitHub since the earliest days, and I've definitely noticed that there's something going on -- or the lack of anything going on more like it. When was the last time a big feature that people are actually clamoring for was added to GitHub (and let's not pretend LFS fits that description)? Meanwhile you have the maintainers of the most popular projects publicly begging for changes they've been waiting year…

For my team's (~20 people) uses, Github (and the tools we and others develop ontop of it) meets our needs amazingly well and literally would be 100% worth the price at 10X the cost.

I don't think the fact that others have built tools on top of github means that github is lacking features, in the same way that the existence of github doesn't mean that git is lacking features.

On the other hand, seemingly ignoring your adoring fans asking for small changes is a bad move.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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3.) The ball of spaghetti rolls downhill, agglobulating ALL THE FEATURES , along with forty-seven hundred switches and configuration options controlling them, resulting in a combinatorial explosion of possible system states and code paths, and you end up with something that sends email, has a social feed, group chat rooms, a home-brew scripting language, some half-baked custom charting and reporting, theming and cust…

I think you just summed up why no one's been able to kill off craigslist. CL kept it simple, stuck to what they did best and hardly added any features.

And restricted access to their data + cease-and-desisted anyone who wanted to augment the CL experience. They're still in business because they are shrewd and have the critical mass required to maintain their monopoly, not because they have a killer product.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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> you know they are suffering from systemic issues internally I mean, when hasn't github been suffering from systemic internal issues? Drama is practically their whole schtick.

When I went to a GitHub-organized meetup in Berlin a few years back, they bragged how a bunch of them decided to rent a place in the city for a few months, to work at day and party at night, I realized they were maybe a bit too chillaxed.

What's wrong with that?
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