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Thanks once again, FDNY!
A healthy reminder for a lot of professions.
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> - never give up your tool. basically, if you are working to force a door, but it's taking some time and someone says "let me give a try", don't take the bait. If someone else pops your door for you, you will never live it down. So macho! I wonder if you could expand on that as far as the culture in being a firefighter a bit. The only thing I know about this is obviously what I see on TV and in movies. I suspect tha…
Firefighter culture/behaviour, at least on my department, is very complicated. It often resembles toddlers fighting for toys in a sandbox and I mean it... calling us Toddlers is being nice. Literally 2 minutes later it can resemble team-work that would make General Patton proud. I do not watch firefighter shows or movies as a general rule, so I can not comment if they mirror reality. I don't think I could write about…
This certainly provides insight into the deaths of 27 wildland firefighters who died disregarding orders to drop their heavy tools (so they could outrun a wildfire):
"Drop Your Tools: An Allegory for Organizational Studies" by Karl Weick at http://www19.homepage.villanova.edu/gregory.gull/MBA8510.htm...
Interesting seeing this posted here. I've spent the past decade+ as a firefighter with the FDNY and this is always a go-to book (at least for monday-morning-quarterbacking how somebody did something). It's one of the few times a book does a good job at mirroring actual practice. We have a lot of other books on tools and procedures, but this one is more interesting to a hacker's mindset. Some notes: - trying the doork…
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Firefighter culture/behaviour, at least on my department, is very complicated. It often resembles toddlers fighting for toys in a sandbox and I mean it... calling us Toddlers is being nice. Literally 2 minutes later it can resemble team-work that would make General Patton proud. I do not watch firefighter shows or movies as a general rule, so I can not comment if they mirror reality. I don't think I could write about…
"...never give up rolling hose, never give up tools, ..." This certainly provides insight into the deaths of 27 wildland firefighters who died disregarding orders to drop their heavy tools (so they could outrun a wildfire): "Drop Your Tools: An Allegory for Organizational Studies" by Karl Weick at http://www19.homepage.villanova.edu/gregory.gull/MBA8510.htm...
Reminds me of the speech from The Edge. "Most people in the wilderness die of shame ... instead of thinking".
That said, all fatal fire reports have one thing in common. All the people who read them think "I have no clue what I would have done if that was me".
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Firefighter culture/behaviour, at least on my department, is very complicated. It often resembles toddlers fighting for toys in a sandbox and I mean it... calling us Toddlers is being nice. Literally 2 minutes later it can resemble team-work that would make General Patton proud. I do not watch firefighter shows or movies as a general rule, so I can not comment if they mirror reality. I don't think I could write about…
"...never give up rolling hose, never give up tools, ..." This certainly provides insight into the deaths of 27 wildland firefighters who died disregarding orders to drop their heavy tools (so they could outrun a wildfire): "Drop Your Tools: An Allegory for Organizational Studies" by Karl Weick at http://www19.homepage.villanova.edu/gregory.gull/MBA8510.htm...
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"...never give up rolling hose, never give up tools, ..." This certainly provides insight into the deaths of 27 wildland firefighters who died disregarding orders to drop their heavy tools (so they could outrun a wildfire): "Drop Your Tools: An Allegory for Organizational Studies" by Karl Weick at http://www19.homepage.villanova.edu/gregory.gull/MBA8510.htm...
That is fascinating, thanks. There definitely is point where the primary life hazard is us and we fail to realize it sometimes. Reminds me of the speech from The Edge. "Most people in the wilderness die of shame ... instead of thinking". That said, all fatal fire reports have one thing in common. All the people who read them think "I have no clue what I would have done if that was me".
Interesting read. The few times I've seen the FDNY I always wondered what that strange modified crowbar thing they carry around was (since I didn't see other Fire Departments using it). Now I know!
Are you referring to the halligan bar? I'd be very surprised to see a fire department that didn't carry them. The "set of irons" (the halligan plus a flat head axe) is about as standard a set of tools as you can get in the fire service. While there is some variation (I like to carry a Denver Tool[1] instead of the axe, as it's a slightly more effective striking tool), pretty much everyone carries the halligan. There…
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Are you referring to the halligan bar? I'd be very surprised to see a fire department that didn't carry them. The "set of irons" (the halligan plus a flat head axe) is about as standard a set of tools as you can get in the fire service. While there is some variation (I like to carry a Denver Tool[1] instead of the axe, as it's a slightly more effective striking tool), pretty much everyone carries the halligan. There…
The Halligan is vim. Has weird modes of usage, and takes some explaining. But it is stable, ever-present, and all-powerful.
"Prior to forcing a door: The Forcible Entry Team should: TRY THE DOOR to determine 'IS THE DOOR LOCKED?'" Nice.