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Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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Well, that sounds nice in the abstract, but I can relax when I notice that I'm worked up on something. I understand the philosophical point you're making, but it's an abstract, philosophical, existential stress that you're talking about, not everyday stress. Simply the non-enlightened state of mind, caring about distinctions etc. And then you go on explaining how you can't rationalize yourself out of that state-of-mi…

>I understand the philosophical point you're making, but it's an abstract, philosophical, existential stress that you're talking about, not everyday stress. Sorry, maybe I was trying to be too clever. Basically I agree with you. Breathing and counting to ten are perfectly fine ways of dispelling stress. Breathing deeply counteracts the sympathetic response to stress, counting is a way of waiting it out, allowing the…

I'd argue that most stuff that we do is like this. For example you can't try to be productive either. You can shape your environment, remove distractions, go for a walk etc., but in the moment there is no way to forcibly produce good ideas to solve problems (say design problems in engineering etc.). You also can't try to learn (except for rote learning and developing a hate for the subject matter in parallel).

Or maybe not. Maybe you can do self-suggestion. I certainly know people who can easily dig themselves into hole of fury, getting angry at someone (not present), making assumptions, getting more angry at them, imagining further nastiness about that person etc. If you can make yourself more frustrated, perhaps you can also make yourself less frustrated. Whatever.

I think that worrying and analyzing this very topic (whether you can "try to X") too extensively is not terribly useful either. It's a bit like ivory tower programmers who read all sorts of Agile books, Clean Code, The Mythical Man-Month etc. without actually spending lots of time writing code. One can do lots of philosophical back and forth based on principles, but in the end it comes down to actions.

If you think you can't try to relax, you probably also won't be able to. Or maybe yes. There are limitations to what can happen in the brain, but there is too much self-referencing going on when talking about chainging one's own conscious state. It usually leads into a lot of bunk, new age whatever magic stuff.

Anyways, one way to get rid of frustration is to not worry about ways to get rid of frustration. Including this one.

You have to do it quick enough so that your consciousness doesn't jump in and say "but I can't try to follow this advice either". You have to let the advice act on you. "But I can't try to let anything" :D But then a point comes when you notice that it just happened. The best summary is to "let things be", while knowing that letting or not letting it is bullshit, there are no permissions involved in this type of thing anyway. (Seems like I couldn't resist to spill out some text like this. I think there is some value in thinking about this, but not too much and definitely not if done too deeply and seriously.)

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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Here's an interesting study that seems to counter this claim: http://psychedelicfrontier.com/psychedelics-reductions-suici... http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2015/01/08/026988111456... Classic psychedelic use is associated with reduced psychological distress and suicidality in the United States adult population "Psychedelic users showed a significantly lower likelihood of recent psychological distress, as well a…

An article from the psychedelic frontier talking about a paper published in low impact journal (Impact Factor of slightly more than three) does not seem like an unbiased source. To be fair, I'm hardly an unbiased source, as a good friend of mine jumped out a window an hour or so after taking a rather large dose of LSD.

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/566179-always-that-same-lsd-...

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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Beware of NBOMes. Only discovered in 2003, these cheap, fake substances are commonly sold as LSD. Prior to this, a tab of acid couldn't be substituted with an imposter substance. Now it can.

I'd be getting a testing kit, along with trusting your source and all the other sensible checks.

NBOMes won't kill you but they are not without risk. High dosages not recommended. They are not LSD and should never be sold as LSD.

I didn't read the whole article but anyone writing about LSD today should warn against NBOMes.

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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>I understand the philosophical point you're making, but it's an abstract, philosophical, existential stress that you're talking about, not everyday stress. Sorry, maybe I was trying to be too clever. Basically I agree with you. Breathing and counting to ten are perfectly fine ways of dispelling stress. Breathing deeply counteracts the sympathetic response to stress, counting is a way of waiting it out, allowing the…

I'd argue that most stuff that we do is like this. For example you can't try to be productive either. You can shape your environment, remove distractions, go for a walk etc., but in the moment there is no way to forcibly produce good ideas to solve problems (say design problems in engineering etc.). You also can't try to learn (except for rote learning and developing a hate for the subject matter in parallel). Or may…

To relax is an act of letting be, just as you say.

But to get at the subtler levels of stress, you need a plan.

The strategies that work on the everyday forms of stress become a disturbance when trying to eliminate the subtler levels of stress.

We agree I think, we are just talking about different levels of stress.

Theorizing isn't the goal. There are a lot of "theory buddhists" who get really into the esoteric philosophy in the scriptures.

I think they are wasting their time.

Stress reduction is something you practice, the theory is only there for when you encounter unfamiliar situations and aren't sure how to proceed.

Of course this whole thread shows how I don't always remember to follow my own advice.

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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I'd argue that most stuff that we do is like this. For example you can't try to be productive either. You can shape your environment, remove distractions, go for a walk etc., but in the moment there is no way to forcibly produce good ideas to solve problems (say design problems in engineering etc.). You also can't try to learn (except for rote learning and developing a hate for the subject matter in parallel). Or may…

To relax is an act of letting be, just as you say. But to get at the subtler levels of stress, you need a plan. The strategies that work on the everyday forms of stress become a disturbance when trying to eliminate the subtler levels of stress. We agree I think, we are just talking about different levels of stress. Theorizing isn't the goal. There are a lot of "theory buddhists" who get really into the esoteric philo…

i was just facetiously quoting a stupid cartoon (Rick and Morty). good conversation though :)

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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There is a lot going on in this article and I won't comment on all of it. I'll just address people who are perhaps curious about psychedelics. May I highly suggest that those wishing to experiment with psychedelics do it only in a place where you feel absolutely safe. That is, no risk of police, parents (if that is an issue), or neighbours to bother you. Additionally and I do think this is very important: in nature .…

I agree with just about everything you said, except the "in nature" part. Don't get me wrong, tripping in nature is awesome, maybe the best place to trip. But it isn't necessary and might not even be the best for your first time (depending on what you are doing). They real key is to not have too many stimuli out of your control, particularly having lots and lots of strangers around. Especially if you have to interact…

The important thing is to participate and be acted upon by Earth's electromagnetic field.

Be barefoot in the grass at least once while in that state, even if its in the garden.

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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I agree with just about everything you said, except the "in nature" part. Don't get me wrong, tripping in nature is awesome, maybe the best place to trip. But it isn't necessary and might not even be the best for your first time (depending on what you are doing). They real key is to not have too many stimuli out of your control, particularly having lots and lots of strangers around. Especially if you have to interact…

If you're going to do it "in nature2. Don't do it near cliffs, steep hills or with a river of fast moving water. You'll thank me later.

Especially not a river with fast moving water! The sound compounds on itself and soon you end up with a lion at your ear

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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I would like to add that the safest set and setting is your own own home, with a sitter. There's simply no substitute for it if you're just getting started. Call a friend up and ask; trip sitting is fun! Save nature for later, when you're familiar.

The times we did it, some parties excluded, we started inside, and then moved to the outside whenever we felt like. Nature is awesome, especially pine forests.

This is typically my routine. Make sure everything is all good, then embark :)

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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Its legal ( In the UK at least )

...until April when the (stupid, IMO) psychoactive substances bill will make production (e.g. growing), supply, import or export illegal :(

I wonder how long that monstrous law is going to stay in effect?

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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> It means something important to him Well, isn't that true for anyone believing in mumbo jumbo? Shouldn't truth be even more important?

If you think of "chakra talk" as a particular dialect some people use to communicate where their emotional and mental state is at, you can hear the truth of what they are trying to say.

How about they adopt an everyday dialect that's not choke-full of metaphysics and New Age scents?
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